Who's Ron Paul?

[melbo]

http://www.safehaven.com/article-7516.htm

May 08, 2007

The Republican Presidential Debate
by Douglas V. Gnazzo

The Republican Presidential

Debate

"There is no such thing as a power of inherent sovereignty
in the government of the [federal] United States...
In this country sovereignty resides in the people, and Congress can exercise
no power which they [the sovereign people] have not, by their Constitution entrusted to it: All else is withheld."

Abstract

The Republican primary debate for President was held on May 3, 2007. MSNBC consented to be the host of the event. No greater undertaking can be had than the pursuit of liberty and justice engendered by the election of the President of the United States of America.

Together, the President, Congress, and the Judiciary, provide the structure known as government. As such, they represent the will of the people, the fabric of society. The government exists for the sole purpose of protecting the people's unalienable rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

MSNBC provided a great service by allowing the people to see and hear the candidates up close and personable: what they stand for, what policies they believe in, what philosophy they are guided by.

The Cast

Nine men took to the stage, to bask in the light of the public forum, revealing themselves to the nation - to the people they wished to represent, to those who alone have the sovereign power to say yeah or nay - We the People.


Total Speaking Time in Seconds

On MSNBC's website that covers the debate (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1829690), there is a picture of each candidate with a short one line clip, providing a glimpse into the man behind the face. They are as follows:

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Hunter - need to move quickly on Iraq
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Thompson - says he is the reliable conservative
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Tancredo - speaks about Reagan, beliefs
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Romney - says bin Laden will pay
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Paul - explains the role of government
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Huckabee - would have fired Rumsfeld before the election
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Giuliani - stresses bi-partisanship
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Gilmore - lead against a sea of hostility
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Brownback - stresses building strong families
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McCain - says he is most prepared

Chris Matthews of Hardball notoriety monitored the debate. A better choice would have been difficult to make, as Matthews played hardball - in a softball sort of way. The nuances of the presentation and monitoring of the debate explained the political process in the same manner as did the debate, perhaps even more - in a more subdued and subtle kind of way.

The Stage

The time allotted to each candidate, and the remarks made introducing and dismissing them, were fascinating to watch: a true master of ceremonies was orchestrating the play. All that was missing was the maestro, but perhaps he was in the audience - a watcher.

Another website (http://2008central.net/?p=656#more-656) that covered the debate, listed the total time that each candidate was allowed to literally speak. A question and answer format was used. Certain questions were allotted a longer response time then others. It was alluded to that all candidates were to receive fair and equal treatment.



Republican Presidential Candidates

John McCain


11:31


- (11 minutes 31 seconds)

Mitt Romney


9:04


- (9 minutes 4 seconds)

Rudy Giuliani


7:10


- (7 minutes 10 seconds)

Sam Brownback


6:33


- (6 minutes 33 seconds)

Mike Huckabee


5:24


- (5 minutes 24 seconds)

Tom Tancredo


5:17


- (5 minutes 17 seconds)

Jim Gilmore


5:17


- (5 minutes 17 seconds)

Ron Paul


4:46


- (4 minutes 46 seconds)

Duncan Hunter


4:42


- (4 minutes 42 seconds)

Tommy Thompson


4:36


- (4 minutes 36 seconds)

Permission

The allotment of time given to each of the candidates is most telling, but just what is it telling? First, we note that the time allotted to each individual greatly varied in length. If one was looking for equality they were searching in the wrong place.

Senator John McCain received the lion's share of the bounty - 11.5 minutes, with Romney not far behind with 9 minutes.

Giuliani had 7, and Brownback 6.33 minutes. From there it was all down hill. Three of the remaining candidates were granted 5 minutes and change, while the last three were only permitted approximately 4.5 minutes.

Cui Bono

Why such disparity? Was this fair play or hardball? Several candidates seemed to have come packing for hardball, as if they knew the score before the game even started.

Apparently Senator McCain benefited - tapped with the seal of approval to deliver political speeches, as opposed to the limitations of direct answers to specific questions. The words my friends still rings in my ears.

Was favoritism shown for a select elite few over and above the rest, and if so - why? Was it prearranged or was it happenchance? Does anything occur by happenchance, especially in the world of politics?

At What Cost

Perhaps this behavior is indicative of the times - a comment upon the neocon plutocracy we have allowed to take root, spreading its limbs over the face of the land, offering shade to those who accept its protection - no matter what the cost: even if freedoms are part of the toll.

Clues

A quick glance at the one line summations of each candidate provides further clues. McCain claimed to be the most prepared, and thus he so appeared. The question is - prepared for what? Iraq, Iran, and then what - all other imagined threats to the greatest military power ever to walk the face of the earth? I think not.

Hunter, Romney, and Gilmore espoused the same ideal - divide and conquer was the call of the day. War - not peace had its say. From chaos comes order was part of the mix. Why fire Rumsfeld if such is the way? Perhaps he was a bit too enthusiastic and drew unwanted attention; better to come dressed as sheep seemed to be the motto of the day.

At least Tancredo and Brownback provided moral fiber to the tone of the debate, while Giuliani was hell bent on reciting the litany of his well honed record. Strike up the band to inspire others to pay - the costs of imperialism and occupation are meant to stay.

A Beacon

While limited to just four minutes and forty-six seconds, Congressman Ron Paul had a lot to say, and he performed admirably well considering the debilitating circumstances imposed by the controllers.

Ron Paul's constitutional grounding permeated all his answers, which espoused a different message compared to his colleagues with whom he shared the stage. His message was simple yet sage: follow the Constitution and one would not be led astray, falling by the wayside - unable to pay.

The Message

Protect the homeland without seeking the conquest of the world, as ordained and sanctioned by the Supreme Law of the Land. Protect the freedoms of the sovereign people, who granted limited powers to the government for just such a cause - freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Why spend billions of dollars trying to police the world, while many are still starving here at home? Are we really trying to force democracy on others, or enable global plutocracy to grow stronger by the day? Take our sons and daughters out of harms way, and into the loving arms of ones held dear - families and friends who make it all worthwhile.

Without paying to feed the dogs of war, much less credit and debt would need to be created and then discharged. Ron Paul spoke of the purpose of government as his guiding light, which makes perfect sense given our plight. Is there an enemy out there, or was Sun Tzu right when he stated he had meant the enemy, and he was I. Remember well - the first casualty of war is truth.

War is a business of the merchants of death - they who ply their trade to rule the world. Listen not to their false ways; follow thy heart in all it has to say. Make peace not war; intervene not in the affairs of others - clean up one's own house before all else.

Heartfelt

Congressman Ron Paul cast an aura of truth and honesty that came through loud and clear in the minimal time he was permitted to speak. Imagine what we would hear if he was afforded equal time and exposure by the mainstream media.

The links below lead to MSNBC's 2008 Primary Debate website, as well as to a few others that have video's of Congressman Ron Paul and his beliefs that emphasize following the mandates of the Constitution of the United States.

You will be surprised at the message you hear, a message of truth - that only Congress can declare war; that freedoms are being forsaken and usurped by those whose sole constitutional purpose is to honor and protect those very same freedoms and liberties.

And lastly you will hear about Honest Money - the hard currency of Gold & Silver Coin mandated by the Constitution of the United States. Why is it not adhered to if it is the Supreme Law of the Land?

If you care about the future of our nation, and the future of your children and their children you will leave behind - take a few minutes to listen to the videos. It may be one of the best investments of your time you ever make.

"The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection.

That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant.

He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right...

The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign." [John Stuart Mill]


Congressman Ron Paul

Website to view videos of Dr. Ron Paul:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18296908
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17153378
http://www.house.gov/paul/

Part 1 - Ron Paul - Korelin Economics Report
Part 2 - Ron Paul - Korelin Economics Report
Part 3 - Ron Paul - Korelin Economics Report



Douglas V. Gnazzo
Honest Money Gold & Silver Report

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[melbo]

Ron Paul: Total Victory, Yet Censorship Continues

Following last week's Republican Presidential debate in California, I posted results of MSNBC's online polling, which, while not scientific, allowed just one vote per IP address and had thousands of respondents. The polling showed a clear winner of the debate--Texas Libertarian Representiative Ron Paul. I wondered if the media would take notice. Apparently, they haven't.

I was forwarded this piece on the media's lack of coverage of Paul. I am a Democrat, and I'm not going to start going gung-ho for Ron Paul, but the media's lack of coverage of Paul is an affront to our democracy, regardless of whether you're a Democrat, a Republican, a Libertarian, or none of the above.

I am not sure why Ron Paul is on the mainstream media's blacklist. As Paul is a Libertarian, I would imagine he has no interest in regulating big media or its corporate sponsors. His breaking of the party mold would seem to be a good story to cover, perhaps worthy of covering even if his post-debate poll numbers didn't justify covering him.

...this is a chicken and egg scenario - if the media routinely ignore so-called marginal candidates then they are never going to attain the exposure of a Giuliani or a Romney, thus the media bias becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Source: prisonplanet.com

Now, The Washington Post has an editorial complaining that candidates such as Ron Paul and Mike Gravel clutter up the debate stage. I can't say that Gravel won a lot of respect in his debate, but I know his ratings were still higher than Chris Dodd. Clearly, the media has a script for how they'd like the races to play out, and the likes of Ron Paul have not been invited to audition.

http://www.nowpublic.com/ron_paul_to...ship_continues

[crehberg]

I hope he runs.

[Blackjack]

Originally Posted by crehberg

I hope he runs.

He is running!

[RJB]

Congressman Ron Paul’s donations have moved up - not by hundreds of thousands - but by millions as a result of his debate performances and groundswell of support on the Internet and in New Hampshire, observers close to the campaign say.

The move is especially impressive since as of March 31, 2007, he had perhaps $500,000 on hand (see candidate estimates below).

FMNN had previously reported – after the GOP presidential debate in South Carolina - that candidate Ron Paul’s (R-Tex) donations, large and small, had nearly doubled.

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=42336

Now observers close to the campaign are revealing – with some astonishment – that donations to the campaign in recent weeks have pushed the total up to perhaps $4 or $5 million.

“That’s a huge number at this stage,” says one observer. “That starts to put him in a position where he can compete – state by state, anyway – with the major candidates.”

And this source added, “Of course, it’s hard to tell because the numbers keep changing – and thus nobody at the campaign has a firm count, at least not hour to hour. But the numbers are big. It’s definitely over three, probably over four, and if it hasn’t hit five yet, it will soon.”

At this rate, say observers, Ron Paul could have something like $10 million in his coffers inside of several months, and the total could keep growing – so long as he continues to hit on themes that Americans support – how to return the country to a true, small government, constitutional republic and how to end the war in Iraq.

To be sure such amounts are somewhat speculative. But to put the amount of money Ron Paul is said to have raised recently in perspective, here are the figures of cash on hand for GOP candidates as of March 31, 2007:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/money/gop.html

Sam Brownback
cash-on-hand: $806,626

Jim Gilmore
cash-on-hand: $90,107

Rudy Giuliani
cash-on-hand: $11,949,735

Mike Huckabee
cash-on-hand: $373,918

Duncan Hunter
cash-on-hand: $272,552

John McCain
cash-on-hand: $5,180,799

Ron Paul
cash-on-hand: $524,919

Mitt Romney
cash-on-hand: $11,863,653

Tom Tancredo
cash-on-hand: $575,078

Tommy Thompson
cash-on-hand: $139,723

Source: CNN


Staff Reports - Free-Market News Network

Source - http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=43192

[Blackjack]

All Good News........ Liberty actually has a chance, who would've figured?

[Minuteman]

To paraphrase;


Good evening.
Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as anyone. But in the spirit of commemoration, I thought we could mark this day by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat.

There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, these words are being recorded. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?

Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to those in power. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent.

Tonight I seek to end that silence. To remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than two hundred years ago our founding fathers wished to embed the fire of freedom forever in our memory. Their hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives.

So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow these words to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand with me this next election.

Together we shall cower the Congress, shake the Senate, and together we shall give them an election in November that shall never, ever be forgot.


Vote Ron Paul

[Minuteman]

Folks, we talk on here about all sorts of things that are wrong with this nation. The loss of liberty the erosion of privacy. And there are some who say it is a waste of time, a distraction from what is important. Whatever that may be. Why, they say, waste time talking about things that you can't change. Well here is something that we can change, here is something that we can do. We can get out and promote this Patriot, this honest man, this constitutional citizen politician.
And you don't have to have a lot of money, just a little time.

I have been working hard to spread the word and the response has been pretty good. I bought hundreds of the handout cards from LibertyCard.org
and have been handing them out to everyone I know. I leave them in the magazines at every Dr. office waiting room I go to. I leave them in the mens room on the sink in every restroom in every restaraunt, truckstop, mall etc. that I go to.
If you can't afford the minimal fee for these cards then go to the website RonPaul2008.com and you can print out flyers, tri-fold brochures, campaign statements, yard signs, all for free. Hand them out, give them to friends and family. To anyone who will take them. Stand out front of Wal-Mart and hand them out. I give them out everywhere I go. To every function or event that I know will draw crowds.

If we really want to try to change things then we have to get out and work for it. And by campaigning for someone like Dr. Paul we can show those in power that we are fed up with politics as usual. That we are ready for, that we are calling for, that we demand change.

Get Involved, Now!!!

[Minuteman]

I am posting some links to discussions about Ron Paul in other sections of this forum to make it easier for anyone coming here to find.


http://survivalmonkey.com/forum/show...light=Ron+Paul

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[Minuteman]

The following is in a nutshell what Ron Paul stands for and what he wants for this nation. What is there to not agree with?





"I talked about all our ideas: marching out of Iraq just as we marched in; no more meddling in the Middle East; bringing the troops home, from hundreds of expensive bases all over the world, so that we could have the money we need for the transition to freedom in social programs, and to abolish the personal income tax and the IRS. They are not compatible with a free society.
In a Ron Paul administration, we would also repeal the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act, restore habeas corpus and stop the spying on Americans. No more eavesdropping on our emails and bank accounts, our phone calls, home and businesses. No national ID—just the bracing freedom of the Constitution.
We must have sound money, and not a giant counterfeiting machine called the Federal Reserve that causes recessions and inflation. We must have private property rights, with no pollution or other attacks on property. We should enforce the Second Amendment, and all the Bill of Rights. We can have privacy for us, not secrecy for a corrupt bureaucracy.

It is all within our grasp, the restoration of the republic and our sovereignty—no UN, no North American Union, no Nafta, no WTO, no World Bank, no IMF. Just federalism, free enterprise, peace, prosperity, and the kind of future we all want for our families, ourselves, and our fellow Americans.

The dream can be a reality. You can help make it so. "

Register, campaign, donate, and VOTE!!! I feel like this is our last hope of ever restoring this nation to the ideals that it was founded on. Don't let this oppurtunity pass us by.

[Clyde]

[TnAndy]

Yeah.....that's the question on my mind too...."WHO IS RON PAUL?".....and it's fixing to be on the mind of everybody in my part of the country....ahahahaaaa

I'd personally like to thank the news media for this slogan.




The Unknown printer.....hard at work.

[Minuteman]

Ah, reminiscent of Adams, Franklin, and the Sons of Liberty bunch.

Keep up the good work Andy. I have a t-shirt with that slogan on it.

[melbo]

LOL

I recognize that arm.....



I want at least 50 for my telephone poles.

[TnAndy]

Get some of that fanfold 1/4 foam board...the stuff that is 2'x4'. Cut each panel into 12x16" pcs ( 6 to a panel ). Come by the house.

I've got this screen too:




Also working on a bunch of stencil signs for 1/3 sheet of plywood. Save all your scraps that are at least 32"x48". Paint with a coat of white paint, bring a few cans of black spray paint and you can make of bunch of larger signs.