http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/ Survival, Weapons, Gear, Firearms Preparedness info en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:49:27 GMT vBulletin 10 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/images/misc/rss.jpg http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/ http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13727&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:47:04 GMT Someone *else* is going to be killed/murdered...]]>

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Someone else is going to be killed/murdered by this known trigger defect to Remington. Double Ott

APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN.

http://www.drinnonlaw.com/Texas-Defe...mington700.php

Defective Remington 700 Bolt-Action Rifle

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Remington’s Defective Trigger System
A Historical Summary

Extensive Claims and Litigation History

1.Remington has been aware that its bolt-action rifles will sometimes fire absent a trigger pull.

2.To date, Remington has received thousands of customer complaints of unintended discharge for the Model 700 and 710 alone. Over 100 injured individuals have sued Remington over the same defective design. Remington and its insurers have paid to settle most of the claims rather than admit the defect and pay the cost of a recall and refit thereby leaving millions of persons at risk of their lives and those of their family and friends. click on here to review Remington memo January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)


3.Ignoring thousands of customer complaints, Remington refused to recall its rifles, install a new trigger, or warn its customers of the potential danger. (click on here to review Remington memo dated January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)


4.Instead, Remington designed the new 710 (introduced in 2001) using the very same defective M700 fire control.


5.Not surprisingly, Remington has already received numerous complaints from its customers of unintended discharge, mirroring the complaint history of the 700.


The Defect

1.Remington’s trigger mechanism uses an internal component called a “connector” – a design component not used by any other rifle manufacturer. The connector floats on top of the trigger body inside of the gun, but is not physically bound to the trigger in any way other than tension from a spring. When the trigger is pulled, the connecter is pushed forward by the trigger, allowing the sear to fall and fire the rifle.


2.The proper position of the connector under the sear is an overlap of only 25/1000ths of an inch, but because the connector is not bound to the trigger, the connector separates from the trigger body when the rifle is fired and creates a gap between the two parts.


3.Any dirt, debris or manufacturing scrap can then become lodged in the space created between the connector and the trigger, preventing the connector from returning to its original position.


4.Remington’s defective fire control could have been redesigned to eliminate the harm or danger very inexpensively. There is no valid engineering reason why the successfully utilized connectorless designs could not have been used by Remington in its Model 700 and 710.


5.In fact, Remington has recently done just that for the Model 700 with a newly designed trigger, the X-Mark Pro. That design, which eliminates the connector, was completed in 2002. However, Remington chose to continue with its prior unsafe design for financial reasons, never warning the public. Even today, Remington installs the new fire control into some but not all of its bolt-action rifles, leaving many users at risk with the old and defective design.

Jury Verdicts and Appellate Court Opinions of Remington’s Defective Fire Control

1.In Lewy v. Remington, 836 F.2d 1104, 1106-07 (8th Cir. 1988); the Eighth Circuit upheld a finding of punitive damages against Remington in 1985.


2.In Campbell v. Remington Arms Co., 1992 WL 54928 (9th Cir. 1992)(unpublished opinion); affirmed a jury verdict of $724,000 based on a fire on bolt closure, finding no error.


3.Later in 1992, the Texas Supreme Court, in Chapa v. Garcia, specifically describes Remington’s fire control as “defective.”


4.In 1994, a Texas jury rendered a verdict in Collins v. Remington after Glenn Collins lost this foot to a Model 700 accidental discharge. The jury found that the fire control was defective and awarded a $15 million in exemplary damages. The total verdict was in excess of $17 million. (click on here to review Business Week article entitled “Remington Faces A Misfiring Squad”)


5.The verdicts stopped with the Collins verdict. After that, Remington settled all claims. Instead of recalling or replacing the defective fire control, Remington has quietly paid almost $20 million to settle claims out of court, finally replacing the fire control only in 2007.
Remington’s Redesign Efforts After the $17 million Collins Verdict

1.After Collins, Remington again contemplated a recall and again recognized the need to redesign its fire control. Internal documents detail Remington’s extensive knowledge of the problem. However, until it finally introduced a new fire control in 2007 (a design that eliminates the connector), Remington consistently chose to forego a safer design.
Timeline of Redesign Efforts

1.In 1995, Remington openly acknowledges the need to “fix” the fire control and “eliminate” ‘Fire on Safety Release’ malfunction.”


2.In 1997, when Remington embarked on the design of the Model 710, documents reflect Remington’s desire not to include the M700 “Walker” –based fire control in the M710.


3.Remington designers then developed several connectorless fire controls for the M710. Remington documents clearly show that the new designs were favored (“The new concept barrel and fire control analysis was complete with excellent results.”)


4.However, the designs met their downfall during Remington’s economic analysis. Project spending was put on hold in May 1998 “until economics and project is approved.” That approval never came. In August 1998, the safer designs were abandoned due to an “estimated cost increase.”


5.Remington instead decided to pull the unsafe Model 700 fire control off the shelf and use it in the new Model 710 to “eliminate development cost and time.”


6.As Remington began its internal testing of the new Model 710 (with the old Model 700 fire control installed), Remington, knowing the history of the design, warned its internal testers of the possibility of inadvertent discharge;
For each of the four rounds in the magazine the tester will close the bolt “smartly” –(i.e. as quickly as practical” –and be prepared for the rifle to inadvertently follow down or fire.

No such warning is provided to customers that purchase the Model 700 or 710, nor was such a warning given to the Barber parents, whose son died as the result of the trigger defect. (click on here to review excerpts from – CBS News 2001)

1.In 2000, a Model 710 rifle fired on bolt closure during Remington’s testing. Remington’s own expert witness in litigation admits that Remington “could not nail down” the reason for the discharge without a trigger pull.


2.In preparation for the introduction of the M710 to market, Remington Consumer Team Meeting minutes from 2001 reveal that Remington planned for personal injuries of its customers as a result of inadvertent discharges from Model 710 rifles:
Safety/Injury Calls and the Model 710 – Ken – If a consumer calls with a safety concern, (i.e. FSR, fires when closed, personal injury or property damage, etc), these calls AND firearms go to Dennis or Fred

1.Predictably, Remington began receiving reports of injury and accidental discharge from the Model 710 almost identical to the thousands of complaints it had received from the Model 700 soon after its release.

APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN.
__________________ ]]> Firearms Double Ott http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13727 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13726&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:41:33 GMT Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday, Dear Monkeys... Happy birthday to you!! Image:... Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday, Dear Monkeys...
Happy birthday to you!!
______ ]]> General Discussion The Birthday Fairy http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13726 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13725&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:10:50 GMT Goin up the country for a few days; Hopingto claim a ruminant that meets the states's minimum standards for harvest...I Want to apologize for trolling and what I feel is a spate of posts inching up on the raw edges of decorum around here... Quite frankly I've written some vitrolic armchair justifications from raw gut reaction without applying the usual social filters...,I don't want to be an asshoe, I think its a genetic predisposition.... [peep]seesaw ]]> General Discussion Tango3 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13725 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13724&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:51:50 GMT A very clever analogy from a latoc thread:
"Why haven't the wheels fallen off yet?"here( http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.p...,57026.15.html)

Why have the wheels not fallen off yet? Okay, let's stay in the picture here.



Imagine there is a cart. A large one, like the ones you can rent to have a party on them. And there is a bunch of people on it, having the celebration of their life on it. Way to many people, actually, the cart is kind of overloaded and it makes some warning creaks already. Maybe one of the passengers even hears it and says something like "Hey, did you hear that? That noise? Is there something wrong with the cart?" But the others don't want to hear it. They are having a party. They are getting drunk. They want their fun. So the cart goes on. The noise worsens, though and after a while even the hardcore fun-lovers cannot deny it any longer. Something is going wrong. They keep on partying, but ever so often the creaking of the cart becomes a topic of conversation:
"Shouldn't we stop and fix it?", someone asks. The others ridicule him.
"Stop? The party would be over. We cannot stop. The cart can never stop."
"Then let's at least slow down?", someone else suggests. The others grab him and push him off the wagon which now seems to be creaking slightly less. So that's what they start to do. Whenever the creaking becomes too loud, they push someone off to lighten the load and keep the cart moving. Leaves more beer for them as well.
The ones who have been pushed off are pissed, of course. They struggle to get back on, but since the cart keeps moving and hasn't even slowed down, it costs all their strength to just keep up with it, not leaving enough power to climb back on. Sometimes one of the remaining passengers will look down on them and with a pityful expression pour some beer over the sweaty faces of those running behind.
"Here, you poor folks, have a drink. I am really sorry, but you have to understand, we had to sacrifice you, the cart must not stop."
"We have to stop the cart", one of those on the ground decides. He looks around. Most of his companions in misfortune are too busy just keeping up or trying to climb back on the cart to even listen to him. But one or two gang up with him. In an immense effort they try to loosen one of the wheels to make the cart break down.
As soon as the people on the wagon notice that, they start throwing empty beer bottles at them.
"They try to spoil our party! Envious mean creatures! Party-crashers! Terrorists!"
One of the attackers is already on the ground, bleeding, but another one hangs on, determined to stop the cart which is still going at unreduced speed. Now the people on the ground grab him and pull him off.
"What did you do that for?" he asks. "I was trying to stop the cart."
"The cart must not stop", they say.
"But they threw you off. They keep on partying without you!" he cries.
"We will get back on later. The cart must not stop", they say, breathless from the effort of keeping up and fighting him off at the same time.
The people remaining on the cart, there are not too many of them left, have positioned themselves defensively at the railing, prepared to fend off any new attackers. Their singing has stopped. Defending the party has become more important than celebrating. The creaking of the cart is now even louder and more profound.
"Couldn't we throw off some of the beer? We don't need that much, now that there is only so few off us left?" someone suggests sensibly. But before he even finishes the sentence, he is pushed over the railing.
So the cart goes on, all wheels creaking but still attached, carrying a few who consider themselves fortunate to still remain partying, even though there is not much fun in it anymore, due to the fear to be attacked and the beer taken away.
"The cart must not stop. The cart must never stop", they keep mumbling. [applaud][applaud]

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If in doubt, panic! ]]> General Discussion Tango3 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13724 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13723&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:15:54 GMT Be extra carefull what you say, and how you say it, lest you confuse and anger people. . Yesterday I read a most excellent post started by...
Be extra carefull what you say, and how you say it, lest you confuse and anger people.
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Yesterday I read a most excellent post started by Dragonfly. I was merely lurking at the time and made no comment. Later I checked back to see what others had said about the post, and found that a new member, on their 1st post had subverted and spammed the thread.
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I PM'd some moderators and made comment about the spammer on the shoutbox. I then made a terse post on Dragonfly's thread. Too terse !!! I merely said, "somebody get this spammer!!!" . . . I did not ID the spammer as "Rolexwatch". When the moderators finally got the spammer, they left my terse post.
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a couple hours later Dragonfly checks his thread, and all he sees is his and mine with mine saying "SOMEBODY GET THIS SPAMMER".
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Understandably Dragonfly is upset. Dragonfly sent me a PM stating that he was upset with me and us at SM, and that he was leaving for good because of me.
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I have sent several PM's since hoping to rectify this whole mixup, that never should have happened, and could have been easily averted.
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My post should have said, "Dragonfly, a spammer has subverted your thread. "Rolexwatch" is a spammer! Someone get this spammer!
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I sincerely hope Dragonfly reads this and does not leave. It is posted for that reason and to be a warning to others about how what they say may be misunderstood.
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It is also here as an apology to SM and to Dragonfly. ]]> Welcome New Members! tacmotusn http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13723 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13722&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:36:46 GMT ODFW video of ten wolves around Imnaha http://www.kval.com/news/local/70551332.html ODFW video of ten wolves around Imnaha

http://www.kval.com/news/local/70551332.html ]]> Quigley_Sharps http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13722 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13720&goto=newpost Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:34:06 GMT SS197SR -$20 a box. Send me a PM if you want a whole case... SS195 LF -$24 a box. Send PM for Case price SS192 Ball -This is that... SS197SR
-$20 a box. Send me a PM if you want a whole case...

SS195 LF
-$24 a box. Send PM for Case price

SS192 Ball
-This is that 'nonimportable stuff'
$45

open to trades.

Also have (2) P90 mags ]]> Buy, Sell, Trade Nomad, 2nd http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13720 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13719&goto=newpost Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:15:45 GMT Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday Dear Melbo... Happy birthday to you! Image:... Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
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Happy birthday to you!

]]> General Discussion The Birthday Fairy http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13719 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13718&goto=newpost Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:08:55 GMT Last weekend, I headed off to a gun show fully intending to pick up a used 22 for plinking. Maybe a 10/22 or bolt gun, hadn't made up my alleged mind. Anyway, I came across a dealer that had a H-a-m-m-e-r-l-i S-por-t 22-SA, NIB that called out loudly to me. Well she's now in the collection. (All those dashes are to defeat bots.) (I have a Kimber target 22, but that isn't in the fun catagory, it is a serious one holer, not particularly suited to general pine cone destroying. There is a very disappointing, long story, Winnie M77 along side the others.)

The Hammerli trigger is smooth, but very long. The sights are flimsy, but appear to be useful, if very difficult to regulate (I have more to do with that.) Manually supported off a table, groups run less than an inch at 50 feet. Feeding of three brands of cheap ammo produced no malfs of any kind. If I ever get the sights sorted out, there isn't a safe pinecone in three states out to at least 50 yards. Hammerli is well known for good barrels in Olympic level shooting, so the limitations will be me or the sights. Might put glass on it sometime down the road if the irons leak me off.

Name your poison and tell us how it tastes -- :D ]]> Firearms ghrit http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13718 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13717&goto=newpost Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:18:25 GMT This is from JWR'S "survival Blog"....

http://www.survivalblog.com/2009/10/..._your_wor.html
Retreat Security: I Am Your Worst Nightmare, by Jeff T.




I am the leader of a band of 8-to-12 looters. I have some basic military training. We move from place to place like locusts devouring everything in our path. My group is armed with light weapons and can develop and follow simple plans of attack. We take what we want by force of arms. We prefer none of our victims survive because that could cause problems for us in the future.
It has been six months since the grid went down. You and the other five members of your party have settled into what may be a long grinding existence. The every day tasks of growing and gathering have now become routine. The news from the outside is extremely limited but you don’t really miss it much. Life is simple but physically demanding.
Although things may seem stable you will need to keep your team focused and alert. This is your first and most important layer of defense. You should hold an immediate reaction drill once per week. Keep things simple. Practice a specific response to such threats as injury, fire, attack and evacuation. Despite the challenges you must maintain contact with those around you such as neighbors for vital clues that trouble is brewing. Regular monitoring the radio will be critical in providing an early warning of trouble. You may be able to safely interview refugees with risking your party. Keep in mind the information you get from them may not always be reliable.
While you have been farming I have been learning the best tactics to employ to seize your property and your goods. I have been refining them since we hit the road right after the lights went out. I have conducted eight “hits” so far and have been successful seven times. Here are some of my “lessons learned”.
Intelligence gathering and target selection is critical to my success. Targets include those who have large quantities of fuel, food and other valuable supplies. My posse is constantly questioning anyone and everyone we contact searching for this our next victim. Anyone who has ever had knowledge, even second hand, of your preparations is someone of interest to me. I may approach them directly or indirectly. If anyone knows something I will find out about it. Who seems well-fed? Who still has transportation? Who has lights? Who was prepared? Where are they exactly? Somebody talks, either in person or on the radio. They always do.
We search for victims night and day. During the day we are listening for the sounds of machinery, cars, tractors, gunfire or generators. Day or night without a lot of wind those sounds can carry for miles. At night I look for any sort of light. Even a small flash indicates somebody with electricity and that means a rich target. I always have somebody listing to the scanner for any news, leads or insecure chatter.
Operational Security (OPSEC) is an important concept for your entire group to understand and maintain. If somebody outside your circle doesn’t have a real need to know about your plans, preparations or procedures then they shouldn’t know period. Develop a cover story and live it like was a bulletproof vest. It is no less important to your protection and survival. During an event you need to blend in with the surrounding environment. Carefully observe noise (such as generators and other engines) and light discipline especially at night. If you need to test fire weapons do it in one sequence to avoid a prolonged noise signature.
Once I find and target you reconnaissance of your retreat is my next step. Only a fool would try to rush in and try to overwhelm a group of “survivalists”. We had a bad experience with that during our second hit. Now we spend at least a day or two trying to size up a large opportunity and the best way to take it down. I will observe retreat activity from a nearby-concealed position. I will get an idea of your numbers, weapons, routines and so much more by careful surreptitious observation. If your group seems alert, I will try and trigger a false alarm with a dog or child to watch your reaction to a threat. That helps me know how you respond, where you are strong and how to attack. I may also obtain a topographical map of the area to identify likely avenues of approach and potential escapes routes you will try to use. I may coerce your neighbors into uncovering a weak spot or access point or other important intelligence. I also have a Bearcat handheld scanner. I will be listening for any insecure chatter from your radios.
Regular patrols at irregular intervals focused on likely observation points and avenues of approach could keep me at bay. You could put down sand or other soft soil in key choke points as a way of “recording” if anyone has recently traveled through the land. Dogs, with their advanced sense of hearing and smell are able to detect and alert you to intruders well in advance of any human. Motion sensing IR video cameras as a part of a security plan could play a part in your layered defense as long as you have power. A 24 hour manned observation point equipped with high quality optical tools is a must. It should be fortified and if possible concealed. It should have a weapon capable of reaching to the edges of your vision. Seismic intrusion devices, night vision and thermal imaging are phenomenal force multiplying tools. They can give you critical intelligence and warning. You should use them if you have them. Understand they are not fool proof and I can often neutralize them if I know you have them.
These tools and techniques provide you reaction time. Time to plan your response and time to execute that plan. Recognize that a “defender” is always at a disadvantage. By definition a defender will be reacting to my attack. Modern warfare has emphasized the ability of the attacker to operate faster than opponents can react. This can be explained by the OODA loop. Below are the four steps of the classic OODA loop. These are the steps a defender goes through when under attack.
1. Observing or noticing the attack.
2. Orient to the direction, method and type of attack.
3. Deciding what the appropriate response will be.
4. Acting on that decision.
As an attacker I will try and operate at a pace faster than you as a defender can adjust to. I will change my direction, pace, timing and method to force you to continue to process through the OODA loop. This creates confusion and wastes your precious reaction time. As a defender you will need to disrupt or reset your attackers timing with a counter-attack. When you are successful you become the attacker. Your defensive plans should utilize and exploit this concept. Here are a few scenarios:
1. Snipe & Siege
I will begin the attack when I can engage at least half of your party’s military age personnel in one coordinated effort. I will infiltrate my team into concealed positions around your retreat within 50 to 75 yards. I will target any identified leadership with the first volley. Two thirds of my people will be engaging personnel. The other group will target communications antennas, surveillance cameras and any visible lighting assets. I want your group unable to see, communicate or call for help. The members of my band will each fire two magazines in the initial exchange. Two thirds of my group will change to new concealed positions and wait. One third will fall back into an ambush of the most likely avenue of escape. We will stay concealed and wait until you come out to attend to your wounded and dead. We repeat the attack as necessary until any resistance is crushed.
Ensure you adjust the landscape around your retreat so that I don’t have anyplace offering cover or concealment within 100 yards of your residence. You can create decorative masonry walls that can be used to offer cover for personnel close to your residence. Fighting positions can be built now and used as raised planting beds and then excavated for use in the future. These can be extended or reinforced after any significant event. These structures or other measures such as trenching must be sited carefully to avoid allowing them to be used effectively by an attacker if they are overrun.
2. Trojan Horse
For one hit we used an old UPS truck. We forced a refugee to drive it to the retreat gate. We concealed half our group inside the truck. The truck was hardened on the inside with some sandbags around the edges. The other half of our group formed an ambush concealed inside the tree line along the driveway. We killed the driver to make it look good and had one person run away. Those preppers almost waited us out. After nearly three hours they all walked slowly down the driveway. They were bunched up in a group intent on checking out the truck and driver. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.
They could have worked together as group to sweep the area 360 degrees around the truck and they would have surely found us. A dog would have also alerted the residents to our presence. They could have taken measures to eliminate the vegetation offering us concealment on the road near the gate. They could have used CS gas or something similar to “deny” any suspicious areas. Lastly they could have done a “reconnaissance by fire”. Shooting into likely hiding spots, including the truck, trying to evoke a response. They should have established an over watch position with the majority of their group. This over watch group would have provided visual security and an immediate response if there were an attack. They were not expecting any additional threats. They didn’t consider that there might be additional danger lurking nearby aside from the truck and they died.
3. Kidnap & Surrender
A few weeks ago we surprised and captured a couple of women out tending a garden. It was totally by chance. We were traveling through a very rural area on our way to another town when somebody heard a tractor backfire. We immediately stopped and I sent a small team to recon the noise. They bumped into a small party tending a field at the edge of their retreat. They seized two women and immediately dragged them back to our vehicles. We began negotiations by sending a finger from each one back to the retreat under a white flag. The rest was easy.
This didn’t need to happen. Better noise discipline would have kept us from discovering their retreat. Some simple boundary fencing or tangle foot could have delayed us. The women should have been armed and aware of such a threat. If they has established an over watch for the garden they could have engaged us before we took our hostages or at least alerted the others that there was a problem. They also could have had a quick reaction SOP developed prior to this incident. That Quick Reaction (QR) force could have followed the kidnappers back to our vehicles and set up an ambush of their own. Rural retreat security is a full time job. If you snooze you may lose everything.
4. Fire and Maneuver
I don’t like this option but sometimes the prize is just too tempting. We typically infiltrate quietly at night to prearranged start points. We begin our attack just before dawn when your senses are dulled by a long night watch or from sleep. Based on our reconnaissance we divided your retreat into positions or zones that need specific attention. We prepare for battle by using an air rifle to target any lights or cameras. Our first priority is to engage any LP/OP site and destroy or degrade them as much as possible. I split my forces into two supporting groups. One group keeps the target position under constant fire. The other group also fires and maneuvers, closing on the target and destroying it with gunfire or improvised weapons. Many times these positions only have one occupant and the task is relatively easy. Often these positions are easy to spot and are too far from each other to provide any effective mutual support. We will work from one position to the next. In the darkness and confusion most of the defenders are disoriented and ineffective. They fall like dominos. We have also used motorcycles to negotiate obstacles and speed through cuts in the perimeter fence. Then throw Molotov Cocktails into any defensive position as they roar past. If you fall back into your residence we will set up a siege. If we can maneuver close enough, perhaps by using a distraction, we will pump concentrated insecticide into your building or we may introduce LP gas from a portable tank into the house and ignite it with tracer fire.
If there was enough warning time from your OP you could execute a pre-planned response. Your planned response should be simple, easy to understand and execute. Half your group occupies your fighting positions, two to a position. The rest of your party establishes an over watch and concentrate its fire at the enemies trying to fix your positions. If you had more than enough prepared positions the enemy might not know where to attack. It would also provide more flexibility in your defense based on the direction of attack. I would use Night Vision if available or illumination from flares or lights as a last resort. Rats hate light.
Usually people keep main access points blocked from high-speed approach. Likely avenues of approach should also be blocked or choked and kept under observation. Remember though what keeps me out keeps you in. Typically the common techniques of parking vehicles in roadways will only delay my approach not stop it altogether. An ordinary 12-gauge shotgun, shooting slugs, can stop most types of non-military vehicles at close range.
Don’t forget the threat of fire or other non-traditional weapons in your defensive plans.
You could create the illusion of a “dead end” for your main access road by positioning a burned out trailer home or a couple of burned out cars at the false “end” of the road. Concealing the fact that the road actually continues to your residence.
Lastly, develop a plan to evacuate and evade capture. When faced with a significantly superior force it may be the only viable option. This should include simple, reliable communications or signals such as three blasts on a dog whistle. Your fighting positions and barriers need to be constructed to allow coordinated withdrawal in an emergency. You should establish a rally point and time limit to assemble. I believe this should be a priority in your practice drills. During a real emergency you may be able to rally, rearm and plan your own version of the “snipe and siege” to retake your retreat.
Key messages:

Your rural retreat defense can be visualized as a set of concentric rings:

• Location – Location – Location: High and remote are best
• OPSEC – Think of it as a form of armor or shield: Practice it and protect it.
• Observation Post / Listening Post: Your first best chance to counter attack
• Gates / Fences / other barriers: May slow me down. Might keep you in.
• Fighting positions: Must provide mutual support and allow for evacuation.
• Residence: Last line. Don’t become trapped
• People, Planning and Practice

Remember:

• An aggressive and unexpected counter strike can win the battle.
• Stay alert for multiple threats or diversionary tactics.
• Criminals excel at feigning weakness to lower your guard.

Don’t underestimate me.

Reading for further study:
The Defence of Duffer's Drift, by Major General Sir Ernest Dunlop Swinton (1905)
US Army FM 5-15 Field Fortifications
US Army FM 5-103 Survivability
Online OODA Resources


This is my answer, ( not sent to the site!)
This is in response to the guy ( Jeff T.) that wrote the letter to JWR's "Survival Blog" on the internet.

He wrote as:
As the leader of a group of individuals that raid, kill, and take what they so desire in the future.
As this has been seen repeatedly by numerous "author's" of books dealing with the fall of the United States, and the ensuing horror's.

Here is my response, somewhat "tempered", so as to NOT alarm anyone, with the tactics and devices which I currently have at my immediate disposal....

I cannot go into exacting details, as many are considered inhumane and may be misconstrued as borderline, into the area of "Booby Trapping", which we all KNOW is absolutely ILLEGAL! ( Far be it from me, to USE my extreme knowledge of that particular subject material, here and now!)
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So, you and your band of 'marauders' are coming to attack, kill, rape, plunder, etc., etc., as was done so many years ago by the Vikings and Atilla the Hun did!???
Well,.....Let me tell you, things have changed since then, and you will find out just what and how much so!

Beware, as your very life is at severe risk at that exact point in time....Take that into consideration!
I do NOT have an Army....I do not have military weapons, nor, do I need them!
What I do have is some really serious and deadly knowledge!

I was trained by some of the very best warrior's in the world, at least as far as I am concerned.
You'd know them as the "V.C." ( Viet Cong) and their direct counterparts, the "Montagnards".
I was a diligent student, and I listened and learned well the lessons taught in Vietnam. ( class of '71)

Should you and your's decide to try to attack me and mine on my land,... you will encounter some rather interesting "distractions", if you will so indulge me!

1st, the ditching around the exteror perimeter won't give you any pause at all, as you can simply "jump" over the ditch...
BUT, you had best jump HIGH and LONG!
There's a 2nd nasty little wall of trees, next in line for you and yours!( see ''abatis'' a French word, from the 'Argonne Forest', WWII). ( You never know what’s inside those trees!)
And thirdly, a wall of large rocks commonly referred to as BOULDERS!
Good cover for you huh?
Yeah, ok, I'll be generous!

So be it, but this was just a simple deterrent to "protect" "you" from "harms way"!
( You have NO concept of the twisted individual you are about to go up against!)

Next, (#4), you'll enconter my 5-6 strand 4 point barbed wire fencing...
Again, no big deal right?
But,..... you should realize why it's there, it was not put up to keep you out...(just for the local cattle and animals!)
RE: ( See the first "Magnificent Seven" Movie)

Ok, So now you're in...
And now you move about 2 feet or more (it's all really quite variable!) and then there's (#5), a heavy, smooth wired fence, that carries some nasty electrical charge ( not saying the amount that can be carried, I'll leave that up to your imagination, how much voltage can a .125" aluminum wire really carry?)
Look it up!
(Educate yourselves now folks!) ( my research shows up to 600Kv !!!)

Ok, so you are able to "negotiate" that, and are home free?
Nope!
Not hardly!

You have just entered: 'NO MAN'S LAND' now!
Remember watching the "Twilight Zone", a TV series by Rod Serling?
Welcome to MY world!

So there you are, and the area looks and seems still and quiet...
Until you move!
You think the smooth soil and Juniper trees give you good cover and concealment?
WRONG!

There are numerous IR's and sensors that detect any and all movements, and send a signal to people, who are just watching the monitors and cameras and such...
( Oh, did I forget to mention the motion activated IR devices, and cameras?)
Yeah, they are there, and you have NO idea of where they are, and how many, and who is really watching who at that point, now do you?

It begins to get very interesting from this point on .....!
No doubt, you have already been 'spotted' prior to any entry, past the first fencing, and from an highly elevated position, you are now in the crosshairs of an experienced sniper or 2 or 3, with a really accurate, scoped, and "quieted" rifle....
Just for you and yours!

Now, there are more than one of these LP/OP's out there, and unless you have been on the "inside", you'll never have any idea of where the shots will come from!

Let's be generous again, and say "we" decide to let you "advance" a bit further, before "we" react!
You'll wish we'd have stopped you, before you move another step or two!
There are some really nasty things awaiting for you now....!

Ever hear or see of "tanglefoot" wire?
Made of barbed wire, and it sets along the ground, to "trip" you!
I have put a new "twist" on it...
It runs in sections which overlap, and are from 2 to 24 inches in height....
Designed to stop you by knocking you off your feet, or giving you some really severe wounds in your legs.....
Now, "IF" you fall, I can only say, Gee, that's just too bad!

You, WILL land on some rather nasty little spikes, made of nails, flattened, and sharpened on an anvil, but not complete, without their razor sharpened barbs on them!
(Think of them as "fishooks!)
( They will have to be surgically removed!)

But, you will be totally immobilized by these, as they are "fixed" to the ground by deeply driven anchors!

Like I said before, I was a diligent and an exemplary student!

Next, you'll find that even if you do not fall, you WILL be entangled with buried boards, that are covered at certain intervals ( the best spacing for human feet) with those nasty spikes and drywall screws, that are razor sharp and penetrate damn near ever foot wear available today! ( it even penetrated our Vietnam "Jungle boots", that had a metal strip embedded in the soles!)

They can't be simply pulled out like stepping on a nail either!
They rip the flesh away with them when they are extracted, unless they are surgically removed with a scalpel!
( first, the boards have to be dug up, then the anchors removed, and then the footwear cut away...BUT, watch out for ANY boobytraps, just lying in wait under those boards, "if" you chose to move them!)

Ah, I'm feeling really generous now!
Let's say YOU are a well trained V.C., or Montagnard, or a Vietnam Veteran, and are are WISE in the ways of these little nasties!
So, you travel a few feet more......(Uh Oh!)

Bang!
And there you are!
You are now being educated in what I was trained in, and became excellent as:
A "landmine and boobytrap" specialist!
(You may want to think about that one for a moment or two....take all the time you need, as it's YOUR life and limb I'm now trying to remove!)

You have just set off either: a whistle, a ground flare, an aerial device, a sound device, a flashbang, or something really NASTY I recently developed on my own, just for thugs like you!
A Really nasty, "Oleoresin Capsicum", in varied amounts of concentration, up to 75-80%. ( seen that concentration ever before?
NO! and You won't, as it is extremely dangerous and deadly!)
(Research that, and find out what concentration is used for BEARS up in Alaska!)
It will ruin your day,...... quite permanently, TRUST ME!

On contact, it acts similarly like 'mustard gas,' instantly causing blistering and severe chemical burns!
It was NOT designed to incapacitate you, nor do I use this as a deterrent....
It is designed solely to STOP you, and, it most certainly will.

If it's on your clothes, it's on you and anyone near you as well...it is quite 'persistent' as I developed it with a petroleum based light weight oil, that easily and rapidly penetrates all skin and clothing...(Oh, did I forget to mention: it can't be washed off!)

You will lose your sight almost instantaneously, and it will burn and blister your lungs, to the point that you WILL drown in your own fluids, all in all, about 3 minutes or less!
You'll be permanently blinded, and you will begin begin to thrash around, in extreme pain and in fear of something you simply cannot fight, nor had any idea it was ever there, but,...WAIT!
There are more nasties, you now cannot even see!

Those are some 2 inch to 6 inch high "caltrops", all over the ground, awaiting for a wrong step, or a fall.
Impaling you and again holding you there.
They too are anchored, by deeply set anchor stakes...with those "fishook" type sharpened barbs!
You won't be leaving...Certainly NOT on your own accord. (Guaranteed)

Lets' say just for the sake of argument, you actually could 'bypass' all those devices....

Well, by then, "WE" will be in our hardened and camouflaged bunkers, that you'll have no idea of what or where they are....
You will run into a hail storm from the following:
Gunfire from: shotguns, pistols, rifles, and even bows!
But I have something really nice and SPECIAL awaiting you!
Designed for such individuals are some: 7 barrelled devices, which is 18.5 mm and loaded with those nasty little steel 'armor penetrating darts' used in "BEEHIVE" rounds!
(See "Vietnam and Artillery" shells!)
I also have cannon, which can utilise nails and such as shrapnel rounds.....

There, You see, I do NOT need a large security force, as most (I cannot define/nor disclose the exact types, and numbers), of devices that are "fully automatic" and are totally autonomous!
You enter, you are in extremely serious jeopardy of loss of life and/or limb at best!
I will see and hear you, long before you get close enough to do anything, but SCREAM and writhe in horror and pain.

I have designed an area that is hard to penetrate by any wheeled vehicle, worse to attempt to try by foot.
I am a trained specialist and I have expanded on that knowledge and training for the past 40 years....
What I have discovered is: that it is extremely easy to stop a human being, and just as easy to kill them, as opposed to try to deter them.
I have the experience, I have the knowledge, and, I have the time and the place.
Consider that the alternative is maybe hunger and thirst, but at least, you are still alive!

Bill ]]> General Survival dragonfly http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13717 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13715&goto=newpost Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:24:13 GMT [rnt]Its fashionable for leftist to make great sport of laughing at or just offhandedly dismissing Glenn Beck; part of what works up the bile in me. Glen lays stuff out and begs for somebody to prove him wrong. And if you read comments, he's a crazy rightwing crybaby nutcase..well none ever prove him wrong , This vid from today isabouthe jump from dollar collapse TO THE " NEWWORLD ORDER"..and don't dare say: subjugating our sovereignty for a "One world govt is a good thing"...[peep] [gun]

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Coincidentally, I met the man in the picture below last Friday. His name is Louie Gohmert and he is my local rep. I met him after a high school playoff football game. He was heading to his car as we were heading to ours when we ran across him. I know he was busy, but he acted as though he had all day to spend talking to my wife and I and our girls. I told him I was 100% behind him. He is a big time pro-2nd Amendment, anti-illegal immigration conservative. I'm a big fan of his so it was really cool to actually meet him, visit with him and shake his hand. He is a really good guy and I hope he continues to shake up the liberals.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=116311
Congressional news conference hails 5 million 'pink slips'
Members say message in 5-foot high stacks in each office coming through

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Posted: November 17, 2009
2:38 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, with WND founder Joseph Farah, right

The "pink [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]slips[/COLOR][/COLOR]" being sent to members of Congress, warning them to abandon Washington's "charge-it-and-spend-it" programs, new energy taxes under "cap-and-trade" and nationalized health care, have surged past 5 million, but supporters of the program say they need to keep coming.
Janet Porter, founder and president of Faith2Action and one of the organizers behind the "pink slips" campaign, was at a news conference today in Washington where U.S. Reps. Michelle Bachmann, R-Minn.; Louie Gohmert, R-Texas; Steve King, R-Iowa; and Trent Franks, R-Ariz., hailed the effort as an innovative new vehicle for the American people to express themselves to members of Congress.
She said it's clear the message – delivered through a stack of "pink slips" now standing approximately five feet high in congressional offices – is getting through.
"They are hearing us, even those who don't want to hear. They're still listening," she told WND. "Those who are on the [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]fence[/COLOR][/COLOR], this may give them the courage to stand up to the arm-twisting."
For just $29.95 you can send an individualized notice to every member of Congress in the form of a "pink slip" with their name on it and your name on it.
"It's an amazing feat, to get that many slips to Congress," King told WND. "If you look through them, you can index each one back to an individual.

"That's powerful. There is a person behind each one of the slips," he said.
The number of "pink slips" is staggering, because they weren't from people who were answering a telephone poll and participating in a [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]survey[/COLOR][/COLOR], he noted.
Each of the participants, he said, "wrote a check to send a message."
But more are needed.
"It's going to take the American people [to defeat plans for bigger deficits, more spending]," he said.


The "pink slips" remind members of Congress they actually work for the taxpayers and list four governmental plans that are unacceptable:

• [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]government [COLOR=blue ! important]health[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] care
• cap and trade
• "hate crimes"
• any more spending

"If you vote for any of these, your real pink slip will be issued in the next election," it warns.
The "pink slips" campaign has been coordinated by Joseph Farah, founder and CEO of WND. He said he wasn't sure at the launch that 5 million "pink slips" would be possible. "Now I think maybe 10 million might be possible," he said.
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Stack of pink slips would be taller than Sears Tower

"One of the questions I get from [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]colleagues[/COLOR][/COLOR] is why a news agency would involve itself in a political advocacy campaign like the 'pink slips' effort. The answer is that I am an American first and a newsman second. I don't want to see the foundations that made this country great and that made the notion of a free press possible destroyed. And that's why we got behind this campaign," he said.
The program already has been the talk of Congress, albeit not always on the floor of the House or Senate.
"They're talking about it, but they're only talking about it behind closed doors and in the elevators as they go up and down and in very whispered tones," Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., has said. "Because, what you hear are people saying, 'How many of those did you get or how many people came to your office today? And what are you going to do and how are you going to vote on this?'"
Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., told Porter on a recent radio show that some of the bills now pending in Congress already would have been law had it not been for the "pink slips" appearing in inboxes daily.
The notices, if stacked vertically, would be approximately three times as tall as the Washington Monument and surpass the Sears Tower in Chicago. Put end-to-end they would stretch from the Sears Tower to Washington, D.C.

"Those who are working toward this agenda, deficit spending and the like, they are tripping over slips as they go to cast their votes," Porter said.
In a column a day earlier, she noted, "It’s encouraging to know that message is finally being heard – and not a moment too soon.

Boxed and ready to go

"While the tea parties and town halls seem to have fallen on deaf ears, thankfully, the pink slip message is starting to be heard," she wrote.

Rep. Todd Akin, R-Mo., earlier said private citizens will be the "final judge on the success or failure of the government."
"The pink slip campaign serves as a good reminder of the unavoidable fact that every member of Congress answers to their constituents and that they ignore their voices at their own peril," Akin said.
Minnesota's Bachmann also has offered her support for the program.
"The pink slips program is a great way to get the attention of members who have forgotten they will have to answer to the people next year on out-of-control spending and Washington power grabs," she said earlier. "I support it! And I want my constituents to know I hear them loud and clear."

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The program was launched by WND to allow Americans to send individually addressed pink slips to every member of Congress for a price of just $29.95.
The program is to advise members of the U.S. House and Senate that they could be facing a "pink slip" as early as 2010 if they vote for more spending, socialized [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]medicine[/COLOR][/COLOR], cap-and-trade legislation and a hate-crimes measure.
"I believe this campaign, already tremendously successful beyond my wildest expectations, can have a real impact on politicians whose first priority is getting re-elected," says Farah. "I think this might be our last chance to give congressional Democrats something to think about before they destroy the country. It might be our last, best hope of stopping the madness."
The effort clearly reveals, says Farah, "that Americans are mobilized to take action to stop Washington's plans for bigger, more expensive and more intrusive government."
In the first week, suppliers of paper reported the campaign had completely tapped the nation's reserves of 8.5 x 11 inch pink paper. As the last full pallet of pink paper was delivered to the printer, new supplies had to be ordered and manufactured.

Pink slips spotted on Capitol Hill

"It's our version of a stimulus program," said Farah.
The "Send Congress a Pink Slip" campaign ensures that a brief but poignant message will be delivered by Fed Ex to all 535 members of the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate – all for a remarkably low price based on economies of scale.
The cost of each message translates to 6 cents per message – individually addressed for both the recipient and the sender and shipped by Fed Ex.
"We encourage citizens to take individual actions," said Farah. "But when we act as a group, it's more cost-effective and the results more dramatic. Just try Fed Exing members of Congress yourself and see what it costs. We have learned from past experience that Fed Ex actually ensures delivery to members. What they do with them at that point is their choice."
"I believe this is already the most successful grass-roots effort in history," said Porter. "After all the town halls and tea parties and the massive demonstration in Washington, Congress still hasn't gotten the message. Now it's time to show them just how serious we are with a message aimed at what they most care about – getting re-elected."
Note: If you're a member of the media and would like to interview Joseph Farah or Janet Porter, e-mail WND.
Send your pink slips to Congress now ]]> General Discussion E.L. http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13714 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13713&goto=newpost Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:14:11 GMT I have made the decision to not make knives anymore. Seems that hurting my hand on the table saw brought this on, and we have legal issues that may... I have made the decision to not make knives anymore. Seems that hurting my hand on the table saw brought this on, and we have legal issues that may cost us this house and shop anyway. I am currently selling my equipment and have sold my main grinder. It's a hell of a thing but I don't see me "coming around" and suddenly wanting to make knives again. ]]> Blades Valkman http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13713 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13712&goto=newpost Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:46:18 GMT **Only two more days* for our current sale prices on the canned Red Feather butter and cheese package, as well as the many other new food products... Only two more days
for our current sale prices on the canned Red Feather butter and cheese package, as well as the many other new food products listed in our sale category.


At the Survival Podcast site,
we now have our own Safecastle marketplace forum. Feel free to start up a thread if you have any comments or questions, etc. Ben, my son, is going to be moderating our forum, so let's keep him busy!

BTW, if you are not familiar with Jack Spirko's excellent podcasts and the broad range of survival resources at his site--check it out.




Roli Delgado, the mixed martial arts fighter
(and Safecastle Royal member) who we sponsored in UFC 105, was seen around the world this past Saturday night in a very tough matchup. He was KOed but is now just fine and back with his family in the USA. He told me this morning that he's a fighter, that he feels great, and he's ready to get right back to business.

It struck me afterwards that his great attitude has a lot to do with who we are at Safecastle, and I know with you as well. Preparedness is about nothing at all if it is not about getting back up again and getting back to work after being knocked down.

I'm grateful to Roli for the opportunity to have some of his fighting spirit rub off on us. We look forward to his next fight--and ours too. ]]> Buy, Sell, Trade JC Refuge http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13712 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13711&goto=newpost Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:04:57 GMT a *FICTIONAL* account of a worldwide dollar collapse told through news reports: http://johngaltfla.com/blog3/2009/11/18/the-day-the-dollar-died/ a FICTIONAL account of a worldwide dollar collapse told through news reports:

http://johngaltfla.com/blog3/2009/11...e-dollar-died/ ]]> Financial Cents Tango3 http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13711