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I completely agree with you Harbin. Some vaccines are BS. The hepatitis B vaccine at birth is one. There's no reason to get this vaccine at this time. The risk factors for contracting Hep B are injecting drugs and unsafe sex. I don't think a newborn will be doing any of this.

In the case of Pertussis, you have to get 3 vaccines at once to be protected (you get tetanus and diphtheria also, which are essentially unheard of in newborns). You should be able to get pertussis alone--get the other ones later. This combo is for convenience, not for the well-being of the child.

In general though, you're right, the vaccine schedule is a racket ginned up by eggheads for the sake of convenience and the focus is on the whole, not on a single infant.

I'm very sorry you and your kid had to go through that...it is a helpless feeling.

 

Thanks, for round 2 we have become much more educated- reading pretty much anything we can get our hands on (wife is at 23 weeks right now and going good). I went to the last doc appointment and the nurse made the mistake of mentioning that Wes is behind in his shots- stating "if we love our baby we will get him up to date today". My wife is about 5' tall but grew into a 12' green monster the incredible hulk would have turned and ran away from. I doubt that nurse will say something that stupid again to anyone.

 

Check out the Dr. Sears Vaccine book. Lots of info in that book. Doesn't tell you what to do one way or the other....just gives you the facts. But, it does say stuff like: this bug is nasty, you don't want your kid getting it OR this bug is rare, you can skip. It also provides an alternative scheduling that we did with our two kids.


Because of the way schools embrace the AA Pediatrics vaccine schedule, you're over a barrel when it comes to taking vaccinations into your own hands as far as scheduling. If you don't follow the American Academy of Pediatrics regs, you generally won't be allowed into schools. So, as BT points out, homeschooling is the only option..

 

That was probably one of the best sources we found, lots of great info on specific studies in there. We've been following his schedule and plan to for the next one.

Make no mistake, I'm not anti-immunization. Ironically when we arrived at UCSD one of the first questions they asked was if either of us had been vaccinated for whooping-cough (due to recent outbreaks), I hadn't yet so I agreed right away and got it. What I am against, is stupidity. Like giving an infant 3 vaccines that is 1 day old including one for an STD.

Do we really need chicken-pox vaccines when the death rate is 0.0014%? (yes, I googled that one)

The cocktails are the other ones that annoy me. Like giving 3 at a time out of convenience. We simply opt to space the vaccines out using the modified schedule. I asked what studies were done monitoring reactions to them when given at the same time and was told none, they are tested individually. Can't say that gave me a warm fuzzy feeling. They wanted to give my wife 2 vaccines (can't remember which) during her last pregnancy. My wife asked if there were any studies of the side-effects during pregnancy and the doc chuckled, saying "they can't test on pregnant women".

Here is an example of why I am leary of them and I question things: During Wes' last vaccination, the doc said "in a week to ten days, he might get a high fever and cry through the night, don't worry it's normal". I asked why that would happen and he said "we don't know, it just does".

 

I completely understand where she is coming from, being an RN she would see it everyday. What I don't understand and has never been fully explained to me, is why it matters to the immunized kids if my kids are not immunized yet. If they can't get it, and vaccines work the way we are told they do, then how do they get sick from my kids? I'm not being sarcastic, I really would like to know. Unless I misunderstood something.

 

You're talking about herd immunity.

What you're not told is that vaccines are not 100% effective. Let's say you get the varicella vaccine (chicken pox), you still might get chicken pox. So, the thought is, it's safer if everyone has it....just one person bringing into a group already vaccinated may still infect some of those vaccinated.

It's just riskier in general.

 

I've had that vaccine 3 times. Once as a baby in '70, once in the military in 87, and once in the military in '03. Didn't scab at all in 87 or '03 because I still had immunity.

 

Hep B for all newborns is wrong in my opinion.

I believe the Hep B for infants is because so many babies are born to drug users and prostitutes. If the baby is born to a woman with Hep B, the baby is at increased risk for chronic hep B. Then the baby grows up to be a drug user and/or prostitute and is a reservoir for hep B.

So all babies must suffer the risk of vaccination because it is to politically incorrect to just vaccinate the babies of the women who are demographically inclined to be included in the categories of drug users, prostitutes or immigrants from endemic areas such as sub Saharan Africa and the Carribean.

 

Most people don't understand that the same reason they claim we don't need vaccines is the same reason that shows that we do.

Most of these diseases sound like something of the past making people think we did not need vaccinations, but the vaccination is what kept these diseases in the past. Now that so many are choosing not to vaccine, these these diseases are making a come back unfortunately.

 

The decision to have this at birth instead of two was pure convenience: the babies were already there at the hospital and there was no way to be sure if you would get them back for their 2yo immunization. Academically, it makes sense. Over time, you'll end up with a great majority of the population immunized, which begs the question: will you need a booster dose at some point? What is the vaccine effectiveness? (Hint: it's not 100%--people vaccinated still sometimes get Hep B).

 

Again, not that simple. While I'm on the fence about some things, the research I've done for example on Polio show the number of cases were dropping off sharply prior to the vaccine being introduced. The diseases are making a comeback, however some are showing up as different strains. I don't doubt that vaccines have a purpose and can be beneficial, but I do doubt their effectiveness and safety. In this regard, I have become a bit of a conspiracy nut- especially after reading as much as I have about the FDA and the big pharma companies. They are way too close to each-other.

 

Good eye....

Here's one for you:

So, the CDC likes to tout that "vaccines work" and for example will show the decline in incidence (new cases) of vaccine preventable diseases such as hepatits A or hepatitis B.

They might say something like: "There's been a dramatic decline in the incidence of hepatitis B since the vaccine started being heavily used in 1986. We can thank widespread immunization for the low rates of hepatitis b today. Any questions?"

"Sure," an astute monkey would say. Next, said monkey would put up a graph showing incidence of both hepatitis b and hepatitis c (for which there exists no vaccine). Monkey would then say: "During the same time period, there has been a rapid decline in the incidence of hepatitis C. Given that there exists no vaccine for hepatitis c...and there's been a steep drop-off in incidence...just like hepatitis b, how can you really attribute the decline in incidence of hepatitis b to the vaccine. Maybe there was no effect. If nothing caused a drop in hep c, maybe the same nothing caused a drop in hep b."

(The room is silent...CDC wanker looks like they've just been smacked by a wet rag....giving all the indication of "hey, that makes sense, but I've never thought of it that way because vaccines have to work, that's what I learned about in school.") So, said CDC wanker stammers around for a few minutes presenting wild speculation as to why this could occur--anything not on the slide notes is uncharted territory.

And then the wise monkey finishes the CDC wanker off: "Truth be known, without the hepatitis b vaccine, you can't really say for sure that the graph wouldn't look exactly the same as it does now. Hep C, no vaccine, steep drop-off....no clue as to why....maybe people quit sharing needles when shooting up....nahhh. Heb B, vaccine given at birth, no sure of effectiveness, steep drop-off, you THINK it's due to the vaccine."

I live for those (purely fictitious of course ) moments.....

 

Ahead of the game...Before it was main stream...

Well, TramaHawk...looks like you beat the main stream to the news..
Here is an article about what you warned us about days before...
http://http://www.washingtonpost.co...s-cases-soar/2012/05/10/gIQAUsE5FU_story.html




Gafarmboy

 

BS.

This doesn't makes sense in the current situation: if kids/children are vaccinated, then it wouldn't matter if adults lose their immunity. The only issue is the window between vaccination and seroconversion. Essentially, if you haven't had a booster (the vaccine is only good for 4-12 years), you're not immune anymore....and you can give it to a newborn who hasn't seroconverted.

A failure of the public-health system's prevention arm and parents for not educating themselves.


All the CDC can do to provide help is to give out vaccine...not much more.

 

No glory, just doing my daily grind in the ER and my due diligence communicating danger to my fellow monkeys on the tree