Most Dangerous Job in America

Discussion in 'Tin Foil Hat Lounge' started by Silversnake, May 16, 2012.


  1. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    And what exactly has this woman done? I don't know that she did or didn't participate in the Kennedy debauchery. Maybe you do but is it merely guilt by association? By a marriage? Your venom lacks any subtlety so I am sure you have an absolute commitment to your opinion. I can respect that but I am personally unable to smear an individual with condemnation based on the action of others. I would hope the same you for you or for anyone else.
     
  2. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    You don't walk into a family like that and not become part of the history, or want to be part of the legacy at at some point not find out the truth in some form or another. I'm sorry.. empty the bathwater..

    But, you want to know what surprises me more? the assertive, erm.. extreme dislike for people JUST LIKE the kennedy's and then the sudden rush to one of their defense. I'm baffled.

    But I have my op and I'm stickin' to it. If you guys want to consider suicide a non-coward way of exiting, fine.. if you want to say that blood is thinner than water.. go right ahead, but I'm telling you right now, I WILL call you out on it in the future.

    I like you guys, but this post is flip flop comedy central.
     
  3. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I think we just have to agree to disagree on this issue. I will always regret the death of a young person who leaves behind motherless children and an unclear legacy, regardless of the circumstances.
     
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  4. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    My Kennedy history is sparse but I was under the impression the JFK was offed for trying to be 'conservative' by ending the Fed, returning us to sound money and keeping us out of endless wars that were unrelated to our security and freedom.

    Maybe the latter Kennedy's got the hint after his and Robert's assassinations and decided to get in line with the master's plans. I have no love for what Ted did and attempted to do but their was a definite change for the worse post '65.

    When I studied JFK in depth, he was more conservative by the true definition than almost any president in modern history.

    My .02


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  5. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Don't forget about Martha Moxley...murdered (most likely) my a Kennedy relative (Michael Skakel?). Maybe being rich and always getting your way growing up makes life as a grown-up a little hard to deal with. Maybe Kennedys and their kind need mandatory military service.
     
  6. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    Agree to disagree. no problem there. But why you would regret anything when you took no part in it is odd to me. Regrets reflect personal past acts.. Perhaps you meant you would feel sorrow?
     
  7. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Regret: Noun - sense of loss, disappointment, dissatisfaction or sorrow
     
  8. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    yes, but when you feel regret, it is not a noun.. it's an action in which it reflects your personal past acts.
     
  9. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I'll not argue semantics - the words expresses that I regret that a life has been cut short. You have selected words that express your feelings and whether I agree with the sentiment or not, I understood your meaning as I'm sure you understood mine
     
  10. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    I understood them to mean that you had some personal involvement because that's what the word means. Yeah.. you getting that I like to argue yet? I do.. my wife tells me I just don't know when to shut up.... lot's of times I don't shut up when I know I'm right. But words mean somethings to some and not much to others. I'll shut up now..
     
  11. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Arguing into absurdity is a waste of effort
     
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  12. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    forget agreeing to disagree - this is the Inferno. Let's fight!! ;)
     
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  13. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    Only if you refuse to admit you lose :) If you say "Yeah, you're right.." we can go home..
     
  14. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    This will go on for days...
     
  15. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Some people feel validation only when other acquiesce. I'm not one of them so this will not go on for days
     
  16. Alpha Dog

    Alpha Dog survival of the breed

    I have to say and all jokes aside I agree with what RH is saying even though the lady might have or might not been involved in the Kennedy life style. Still she was someones daughter and the mother of her children and even though she might not have been on the list for person of the year she was still loved as a mother and as a daughter. Plus as for her actions what would we do for our loved ones? what would we cover up? I honestly have to say if it came to one of my girls probally anything. Alot of time in my job I have to slow myself down and think because dealing with crackheads to me they are just that a crackhead zombie. But to the children they are mom and dad, to the old couple down the road they are son or daughter. A childs love see's no wrong in mom and dad nor does a true parent no matter what a child does and even with not agreeing and wanting them to pay for what their son or daughter has done, even with all the shame brought on to the parent that is still their child no matter how old and the parental love is still there.


    Man I must be getting old and soft plus I think I just sounded gay
     
  17. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    Unconditional love and being a part of something destructive are two different things. I could love my son no matter what because he's my son. But if he was proven to have committed a heinous crime, he will have to pay the piper. If I found out about it before hand, he would not receive my sympathy. He would have to pay the piper.

    Aside from that, I would never enter into a binding contract with a family who's known for getting away with murder, both literally and figuratively. To do so is an admission of indifference and acceptance of the legacy. After which, you now own it as well.

    and suicide is a cowards way out.
     
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  18. jungatheart

    jungatheart Beginner's Mind

    Man, that was funny.
     
  19. Alpha Dog

    Alpha Dog survival of the breed

    I agree Rev and true and I'm the same my daughter got it to some trouble around 18 fighting nothing bad. The P.D. officer called and said he would help her out if I wanted and ask did she start it and he said that it was one of those thing where both were to blame. I ask him to place her in a cell next to the drunk tank wich is always full on a Aug Fri night she had only been 18 for a week. Well lets just say after that night along with the fine she seen the wrong in her ways. Her first question was dad why didn't you help me you helped me with the stop sign ticket. I told her the stop sign she was in the right and I will stand behind her though hell and high water but the fight she was wrong and I stood behind her but she had to answer for her actions. I have always been the type who never wanted my kids to be the kind that Ill do what I want and dad will get me out. My dad was the type that if he found that one of his done something he would call the law and tell then he is right here. Then tell you be a man take responsibility.
     
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  20. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    I think rich people reap what they sow with their kids (e.g., Paris Hilton, Charlie Sheen vs Tom Hanks' boy).

    F. Scott Fitzgerald observed that "The very rich are different from you and me." His friend Ernest Hemingway quipped "Yes, they have more money" (Hemingway 1936).

    The hint is that the only difference is the size of their wallet. I disagree.

    Unless their children face some terrible disease that they have no control over or are the victim of some random fate, I do not pity them or feel sorry for them. They have limitless resources to help out with their children, while the rest of us juggle work, life, then a second job as caregiver and maid/butler. It is at least 10p.m. every night before I get a break. They get used to getting their way and their hubris gets them into trouble.

    So, when they are visited by the Furies over their behavior, I do not not feel bad for them or the parents. Unless you do your job, you should expect the worst. Without teaching them a proper value system from an early age--and NOT the value system of the nanny, you have done a dis-service to your kid that money cannot buy back. Without this value system, the kid has no little voice in their head telling them not do something. So, buy your kid a Ferrari--he's going to wreck it. Give him a bunch of money, he's going to have access to drugs.

    I agree more with Fitzgerald's thinking when he contemptuously described the rich couple in The Great Gatsby (1925): "They were careless people, Tom and Daisy—they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made."

    I will save my pity and sorrow for parents of kids like Sgt. Wilson from my Dad's old regiment. As far as I can tell, there's nothing in that god-forsaken place that's worth any of these kids' lives.

    Sgt Wade D. Wilson
    Aug 4, 1989 - May 11, 2012
    2nd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment
    I Marine Expeditionary Force
    Camp Pendeleton, CA
    REST IN PEACE BROTHER
    sgtWilson.
     
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