If you're not using a suppressor, I just don't see the point in a 60 gr. 22LR round. I am certain they cost more, are slower, may cause failure to feed, and generally aren't as easy to find.
anyways, a 60 grain is safe for a 10-22 Ruger? No mechanical issues to consider? My original concern was barrel twist rate. Yes they are hard to get your hands on locally but online & gun show distributors usually have plenty on-hand. Unless someone knows of other manufacturers, Aguia is the only one I have seen. I have shot about 50 rounds worth thru my 10-22 with no oddities other than the occasional jam.
I have excellent experience with the 60s, no jams, no FTF and no extraction problems. As always you need to know what you want and what you expect to receive for the purchase price, 2 or 3 cents a round difference for Super Sonics nets you more noise. Sub sonics allow you to hear the world around you. I have found that when shootin varmints I can get more well placed shots and not scare the game, so in my experinece I use fewer rounds and have a better hunting trip with the Sub Sonic 60s which in my world means more enjoyment and less money spent per kill which equals to me a less expensive round. It's all about the balance of hunting. I did install a differnt barrel to aid in the flight of the bullet just as the US did when they went to a heavier bullet in the M4. If you want quite then go Sub Sonic (there are a number of providers), if you want noise then purchase what ever you want. Price is subjective as is supply. Find a source and get what you want right now. Midway Arms works for me. Muzzle energy is of course a combination of the bullet weight and the velocity of the bullet. This of course means a bit of research if you want to do comparision shoping. If you do this you will find that the 60s have 120 FPE at the muzzle, as high as many Sonics. YMMV but you have to know what you want and to be objective in this point. Find what works for you and your weapon and enjoy.
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Brokor and HK_User: Appears to me you are arguing opinions. Nuff said? +++++++++++++++++++++ Rich Seal: you can use anything in a 10/22 that performs as you like. Bear in mind that a suppressor does have an effect on muzzle velocity, however little, and if not properly fabricated will move the POI in unexpected ways. You haven't mentioned a suppressor, so I go forward on the assumption you aren't. You ain't gonna hurt a 10/22 unless you feed it something off the wall or outside of what the owner's manual says is OK; they are extraordinarily stout. Anyone that tries to tell you 60 grains is a bad idea must have had issues somewhere along the way. If nothing pops up telling you your gun doesn't like what you feed it, well, then, you get the idea. I don't know the twist in your rifling, but if you aren't experiencing keyholing, whatever it may be is properly stabilizing the bullet. If you see keyholing, the answer is lighter bullets or a barrel change to a faster twist. Pushing pure lead bullets (rare, that) faster than roughly 1100 fps is asking for leading. A harder alloy (as most are) will fix that, as will copper wash or plated bullets. Again, without knowing more about your gun, it's hard to say what's what. Not sure I'd have the answer, even if I knew more. But these guys know - http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php
no suppressor, ghrit. this is a completely original 10-22. only mods are a scope. i think i did get some keyholing before with the Aguia 60g RLN but i don't recall if it were thru the rifle or my pistols. my last shooting session on Thursday saw very good results out of the Federal Auto Match 40g RLN from distances of 25-75 yds. I still got good results out of Golden bullet 36g HP at the same distances. Pretty low rate of failure in both; may have had 1 fail out of 100 in each. a 30 rd mag of each from 25-75 yds yeilded patterns the size of the bottom of a soda can, so i'm pretty happy with that. I was shooting downhill into a target in the woods with virtually no wind. I'm shooting again in the morning. I have 36g HP & 40g RLN Federal rounds & what's left of the 36g Golden Bullett. I will keep looking around for the 60g RLN ammo as always to find something the rifle & pistols handle the best; all I'm really after is a bit more punch but I will consider the noise. I really appreciate all the tips, links & advice from everyone.
That pretty much sums up my reason for the use of the 60s. You're on the right track since you have stated what you want in a given round. Midway Arms has good information with most all rounds and I've pasted two as an example of what you will find on their site. As you can see the 60s have about the same muzzle energy without the noise. Product Information Aguila ammunition features a wide variety of unique loads for special rimfire applications. Sniper Subsonic Ammunition is loaded with the heaviest bullet available for .22 Long Rifle. The 60 Grain bullet travels at subsonic speeds for quiet shooting yet delivers enough power for small game. This ammunition is new-production and non-corrosive and is recommended for use in bolt action rifles. Technical Information · Caliber: 22 Long Rifle · Bullet Weight: 60 Grains · Bullet Style: Lead Round Nose Ballistics Information: · Muzzle Velocity: 950 fps · Muzzle Energy: 120 ft. lbs. Cost .09 ea. Product Information CHOOT EM! and Give em' a Headache with Troy Landry Special Edition CCI Mini-Mag Ammunition · Caliber: 22 Long Rifle · Bullet Weight: 36 Grains · Bullet Style: Copper Plated Lead Hollow Point Ballistics Information: · Muzzle Velocity: 1260 fps · Muzzle Energy: 127 ft. lbs. Cost .06 each
my factory barrel 10/22 does not like the 60gr Sub Sonic ammo when it comes to accuracy and the bullets will start to keyhole past 25 yards.
