Second Amendment Missouri School Teachers are Worried.......

Airsoft guns won't hurt much. Kids round here have airsoft wars. As long as the FPS isn't over 350 then it doesn't really bruise much.

 

And they gave me a hard time playing doctor at age 5-8 ? What is one to expect if all the TV crap is shoot-ems ups ? This I don't understand , check out the Video games ?? What DO YOU EXPECT ! I'm shaking my head , because of no connection .
Sloth who knows what firearms are & respect them. And the Airsoft & paint guns are just free training for bringing up fighting solders to be ship away! I have no problem with kids hunting , BUT teach them well !! It's NOT a GAME !

 

I'd have loved to participate. As a tacher. It wouldhave been hilarious to watch them carrying out the"shooters" when I did whatI'm trinedto do. If they want realism nothing like compound fractures and ruptured internal organs are excellent attention getters.

 

We haven't had a kid die in a school fire in what, 60 years? why? we build from fire retardent materials, hold regular drills, and train kids, staff, and management what to do in the case of a fire.
what do we do for an active shooter? hide under a deck and wait to die.
ONE CCW would have stopped sandyhook.
ONE CCW would have stopped the theater shooting.
ONE CCW DID stop a mall shooting, without even firing a shot, just because the shooter knew there was someone to fire back. Gun free zones, IMO, kill people.

I have friends who are teachers, and more than willing to get a CCW. trainers have stepped up to train teachers for free. It is the school system that will not allow for defensive weapons in a school building.
I do not like their method, but at least it is a possible step in the right direction. they are at least THINKING about what they could do, about an armed intruder. Let them try and fail, let them see why it doesn't work, then let them learn what DOES work.
unless you happen to be mcGiver, you are not going to do very well against a bad man with a gun...unless you happen to be a good man with a gun.

why is it, people trust a teacher to defend their kids with their lives bare handed, yet fear for their kids lives if the teacher has access to a gun? It is the same teacher, and the same kids, so is the gun itself evil, and taking possession of the teacher? I have heard people say that the teacher might snap and start shooting kids! Really? Aren't these the same teachers people expect to singlehandedly take on an armed foe bare handed? why would he need a gun if he wanted to do your kids harm then? That sounds like Chuck Norris to me! Either the teacher is trustworthy with kids, or he is not. The gun plays no role in that decision.

 

Watched the Michigan State Patrol doing live fire at their range and the instructor was using a paintball gun to hit them in legs, hands, heads, whatever became exposed in their mock firefight. I was thinking that he had the largest cajones I had ever seen shooting guys with a paintball gun who had real guns with real bullets. I would guess that it would be an effective training aid. Most teachers I know are afraid of guns, afraid of broken rules, and afraid of losing their collective bargaining. Were I to do it over, I would have home schooled my kids. But it was different then, since I am less than a month from turning 60. Life was a lot different. I was a soldier for 20 years. Now I have to say I almost fear my country. It isn't the country I served.

 

LOL. Chucks a great guy. I happen to be highly trained in martial arts, among other fields, and have used my training in several places around the globe. While any shooter is dangerous. 99.9% are not trained killers. Those who are have usually had only basic training . Ever heard of someone with Special Ops training going on a rampage in a school, mall or restaurant? I haven't. So if they ran up against a trained killer I really don't see it turning out well for the shooter. JMHO

 

Smake-doc, you missed my point.
Either the teacher is not trustworthy, (in which case, why would you in trust your child's welfare to them), or they are trustworthy, and they should be armed to the best of their ability for the defense of that same child.
The question is not which method of defense is best, but will the teacher stand in defense at all. And if so, then any weapon is safe in their hands.

 

I agree with that whole heartedly. I say train teachers for their CCW and let them have secure lock boxes in their desks for their weapon. BUT since very few schools are going to do that in the near future I also say that teaching these teachers some lethal moves could prove helpful. What id as the shooter is blazing away a teacher was able to get behind him and break his neck, crush his skull or was trained to bury that #2 pencil in his neck. temple or behind his ear? It's not a perfect plan by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a start. Had I been at Sandy Hook, and unarmed, I would have done whatever I could have to save those kids, even if I had to die in the process. And to be honest, once I had him, or any shooter down alive, I would kill him on the spot so he couldn't get off or serve a little time then get out and do it again. The kids are the important thing, followed by the teachers. Ask your teacher friends if they would be willing to give up their lives to protect their students. I know I would. JMHO

 

Were Doomed
Can't spell , next , WHY even try ? Lost ^^^^^

 

Ask my friend teachers? That has already been done, and right now, they are having to do it with ballpoint pens, and umbrellas. Untrained.
They are most likely to die first, and to little effect, and they know it. Cannon fodder.

 

Society has changed. I was talking to the Vice principal about attendance and class attendance. He was stressing that students need to be where they were supposed to be in case of a shooter. He said that, in case there is a shooter. I can't seem to shake that from , my mind because that is their biggest concern. They train the kids in case of shooter.

I just read a bunch of people in China went on a stabbing spree & the Columbine shooters had propane tanks and were going to blow things up. Schools are a scary place.

 

@Motomom34 , it always has been, but it used to be jocks vs nerds, and cheerleaders vs musicians, and schools thugs, out for lunch money, with knives and intimidation. Gangs, followed, and built with drugs, and stolen tests, then drug dogs, and random searches, and barbed wire fences. Now, it is active shooters, and bomb threats.
Each level of threat builds upon the last.

 

I'm with you. If you catch them, they never get the opportunity to have a court like the 9th Circus let them off to do it again.

 

training would teach them to have the kids under their desks or behind a rapidly erected barricade of them and the teacher waiting inside the door, pen, pencil, tactical pen or ninja key chain poised and ready to deliver that fatal blow the instant the target area comes into view. If they hear a single gunshot they should instantly go into action. There are a lot of weapons they can carry right past security everyday. Like plastic "letter openers", Delta Darts etc etc. I routinely carry three packs of plastic chopsticks in their original wrappers when I fly. They're hard and heavy, have a decent enough point on them, can be thrown like knives and make wonderful stabbing weapons. There's no need to be unarmed in that situation. And they should be trained by active duty EXPERIENCED military men and women and martial artists, NOT cops. Just my humble opinion, everyone is welcome to thier's.

 

Thanks mike, much appreciated

 

Consider this: on 9/11 they had box cutters, and there weren't that many of them. Our people have become sheep. Yeah box cutters can inflict horrible, even lethal wounds. but they don't stab well. In that situation I would have waited until they separated and rushed one using a seat cushion or briefcase as a shield, then took him down and killed him with martial arts. Say. kicked his knee out, various blows then a death blow to the temple, throat or back of neck. One down and I have his cutter to give to another passenger to use. If I'm going to die either way I plan on going out fighting. I refuse to be a crying, begging and praying sheeple. And maybe my actions will save other lives.

 

Snake_Doctor, at the time the typical suggested response to a hijacking was to wait till it landed and a negotiation was done to release the passengers. Post 9/11 the passengers have fought back, or the few with a backbone. There will always be the few. But prior to 9/11 they were pretty much castigated for any actions which might endanger the passengers, crew or flight. But I like your thoughts and a coat wrapped around the arm can defeat the capabilities of most knives and box cutters, mitigating any chance of wounding.

 

Mike
I agree. But I have had some experience in this area and I would have gone for them. Most terrorists are religious nuts by nature and few negotiate with the intentions of letting the passengers go. They're not just willing to die, they're eager too. I'm willing to die to do what needs to be done. That's the only mindset to have when going against them. Not worrying about getting my face messed up, crippled or dying. It's them or me and others. And the coat trick works great for dogs as well. When they chew on it you can stab them quietly. Or, if Dobermans, snap their notoriously fragile necks.

 

You are my kind of guy, a person who does, doesn't just talk. I'm getting older, but would gladly step in as your backup. Death comes to us all. As our Native American friends used to say before battle: "Today is a beautiful day to die." But, also, as Patton said "The idea is not to die for your country, but to make the other poor bastard to die for his."

Our terrorist foes are much like the Japanese with the Bushido code, other than they have a lot less honor than the Japanese.

 

Thanks Mike, I appreciate that. My ancestors said "Hokka hey" It is a good day to die. I don't want to die, but long ago I made peace with the fact and I accept it. I simply hope that when I do die that I'll have done some good during my life. They say a man is known by his actions. There are a lot of men out there, we tend to fade away when our duty is done. For what it's worth this is my own my own moral code.