Scenario - Instant Family

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by TailorMadeHell, Mar 14, 2016.


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  1. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    This has taken a real dark avenue. Those orphans crying over their parents were not shooting at you. They had been stashed aside and the adults did the attacking. Now had the child had the gun, they would be the enemy. We are supposed to be civilized and putting down children is sick. I cannot wrap my head around that.
     
  2. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    This is why you are sheltered from the "Battlefield" !
    Nit's grow to lice Motomom34. History is my witness. Humanity is my bane! Reality is what a Warrior needs to reflect upon. JMHO.

    About the offspring's of mammals in the "Wild", just how many Male's exterminate those offspring's in order to mate with the now fertile female? And she ain't complaining about it either! So darkness is part of the reality that we don't mention in the PC World. But it really happens everyday when we move outside Fantasy Land.
    Children should be sheltered, Disney and Fantasy Land are developmental stages!
    But there comes a time to face the really harsh realities of Survival!!!!!!!!
    You either make it or you don't. Sympathies aside. That's Nature's way. JMO.
     
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  3. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    Which again says to me , DO NOT PUT myself or any of my loved ones on the road.
     
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  4. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    That doesn't answer the moral dilemma, it merely sidesteps it by making the assumption that 'being on the road' is not what one would inflict upon oneself or one's loved ones.

    Those who are not "on the road" will probably still have moral dilemmas to confront in their quest for survival in a SHTF, TEOTWAWKI, WROL environment. Even those who rely on a BIL, may be forced by circumstances to abandon it; and those who have a BOL, still need to negotiate the route from their starting point, if not actually occupying their BOL when the disaster / emergency occurs.
     
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  5. AxesAreBetter

    AxesAreBetter Monkey+++

    Change "On the road" to "Attacked our checkpoint" and you have an updated scenario. For what that is worth.
     
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  6. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Metal weldin' monkey

    It has indeed taken a bit of a dark turn but the OP is an excellent topic that when SHTF WILL present itself to most that survive past the initial event in one way or another and therefore should be discussed at least by each person's group if not out in the open like here.
    I am sorry if my post on the matter offended you, I truly am, but it doesn't change my thoughts on the matter.

    Have you ever read the book or watched the movie Lone Survivor? Near the beginning a SEAL team is given a mission to go take out a baddie. Team is inserted in a remote area with really bad comms and lots of baddies. While on the way to kill their target they come upon a couple of goat herders, a young man and an old one. They capture and secure the pair then discuss what to do with them, cut them loose or kill them. A sat phone is found on the old goat, and the young one appears to be a simpathiser of the taliban. The majority of the team wants to kill them and carry on but are over ruled mainly because they fear the US ROE and being sent up for murder if anyone ever finds out.
    Long story short, they cut the herders loose who then high tail it to the nearest Towelhead central and are hunted down and wiped out except for one SEAL.
    I lay the blame for these deaths squarely at the feet of the CNC at that time. Because of a fracked up PC BS policy a lot of good men died. Not only that team but the others that were sent in to rescue them as well.
    I mentioned all that to say to me the OP is pretty much the same as the above. I WILL NOT in any way put my family/team's safety at risk by not making a hard call. My duty is to my people, no one else. It has happened too many times in the past to ignore. 6 months,6 years goes by and now we have a bigger threat at the gates lead by someone wanting revenge for a dead parent..
    JMT's
     
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  7. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    In a way Kingfish has a solid point. Nobody has thought to spin this round and ask why the couple (with children) started firing upon a roving band of intruders?
    From the second you take it upon yourself (be your reasoning moral or immoral) to take up arms against another, there shall always be consequences. From the outside in you can make a case that both participants had morally correct reasons to engage. But once the lead starts flying, it's kill or be killed. Once things go Wild West, the only requirement for entrance into Boot Hill is the decision to bear arms. The vanquished usually lose EVERYTHING, and the Victors justify thier actions for the sake of History. Dead right or Dead Wrong it makes no difference. JMHO. But can you conceive or tolerate living the life of a refugee?
     
  8. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    No offense but I have been thinking this through and I have decided this is something you cannot mentally prepare for or should. I think if things get bad to where something like this presents itself, then at that time you will be tested. I will not keep rattling this around in my head because it's not healthy. I think if I was ever faced with this, I would quickly look at the circumstances, the event and make the correct choice then. I am a civilian so I do not have the rules of engagement looming over me.
     
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  9. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    It is not only conceivable, but survivable.
     
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  10. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    Refugees with rifles??????????
     
  11. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    I explained it in an earlier post. If they attacked our compound and were killed leaving a couple kids. We would take them in . Train them, teach them to grow food, catch fish feed the animals and they would become part of the solution. On the road you simply cant carry enough to feed them. You cant protect them. Hence another reason to NOT be on the road, bugged out.etc.
     
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  12. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    Im not side stepping. Im simply not putting my self in that position. If they attacked our compound? we have food, water shelter to give them. On the road we do not. At the compound we have gardens, a lake full of fish, animals for food etc. We do not on the road.
     
  13. Imasham

    Imasham Monkey

    To whatever extent was required I would help the children. I would give them food, take them in, whatever was needed. Could this decision come back to haunt me? Yup, but I would rather die having taken the high road then live having left them to fend for themselves.
     
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  14. AxesAreBetter

    AxesAreBetter Monkey+++

    The question still is, are you willing to risk your FAMILY. To disease, violence, starvation, etc etc, in a REAL way, not just a "maybe tomorrow: sort of way??
     
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  15. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    My family is the safest right here at home. Taking them out on the road is a fools errand.
     
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  16. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    It's easy to take the "High Road" while sitting at the computer keyboard. Even easier when you refuse to accept any other scenario than the one you craft while sitting at the computer keyboard. But things shall change when you are applying direct pressure to a spurting wound and begging "The Man Above" to let your loved one survive, while determining the future of those children. JMHO.
    A little of your clans blood spurting between your fingers has a tendency to cloud the color of your perception. Once Again, JMHO.
     
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  17. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    Please take this with a heavy dose of "SALT" !
    What other famous last words can Y'all quote??????????
     
  18. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    Its a fact. No one is assured safety anywhere. But we are the safest here. Here we have food, water, shelter, resupply, ammo guns, friends, Militia, Family , Knowledge of the terrain, A plan, excellent location, To leave here would be foolish.

    And do actually believe you are safer out on the road? In strange territory? Your plan seems to be kill people and take their stuff.
     
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  19. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    My plans are based on my training, skills, and the decades that I have survived honing them.

    Just realize that it was your hard earned tax dollars that funded folks to go out on the road, in strange territory, do Dirty Deeds Dirt Cheap, Survive and thrive in that environment, while still making it back "HOME". That's why there is still all that Flag Waving on the 4th of July. (God Bless America, if you can read this Thank a Teacher, if you are reading it in English Thank a Veteran.)

    All those folks over there that had food,water,shelter,resupply,ammo,firearms, Front line Military Training & Support, along with homespun/lifelong knowledge of terrain, are just called the vanquished for a reason!

    Add some glow in the dark American Flags to your Militia Mates Kingfish, like the Israelite's they shall be passed over.More than my opinion. I'm not attempting to lay siege to the hard earned preparations Y'all have labored over. But you did pay folks like me to make sure folks in other lands that had all the advantages you described didn't come up victorious, am I just supposed to forget all that do to grid coordinates should things here go Wild West??????????????
     
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  20. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    First of all I wont be facing the U.S. Military. And many of us are also ex military who served on the same battle fields as you. And how many of those battles would you have won without the U.S military and that nice fat supply line? Armor, air power the largest navy in the world. In a P.A.W. world that all goes away. It is what they can carry against what we can store. On the road I dont give a sh!t who you are . You can only carry so much . Logistics is EVERYTHING. And you know this.
     
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