No, We Didn't Need to Nuke Japan

One thing I agree on with that brutal war criminal Gen. Sherman.... "War is Hell!"
The one take-away we can all, I hope, agree on is that a whole lot of brutal savagery was done on both sides, by all the armies. War brings out the very worst in far too many men.

 

They should not have started a war they could not afford to lose. Same with the Japanese. Oh I do not think we are always the good guys in everything but this is the team that I am on. Having been to foreign wars like others on here I am very much opposed to us getting involved in all this crap. We seem to have become a perpetual country of shit stirrers. Eventually that will be our downfall. That does NOT change the fact that both germany and japan got what they asked for, in spades.

 

There were a very few instances where American service members were caught, tried, convicted, and executed for their crimes committed during Operation Overlord, those individuals are known as “The Dishonored Dead.” They were buried at Oise-Aisne Cemetery. The total number of those dishonored dead is 96, yes 96 American servicemen out of the tens of thousands that were a part of Operation Overlord. 96, seems a bit small compared to the rape of Germany by The Red Army, not the US or British army, The Red Army committed atrocities against the survivors of what was left of war torn Germany. Countless German women committed suicide rather than facing the prospects of being raped by the soldiers of The Red Army.

 

Everyone talks about fighting to the death, Japan was the only one that consistently did it.

 

"The total number of those dishonored dead is 96..."
I didn't know this! I will have to look it up. Interesting! Thanks!

 

Absolutely. WW2 is like the Holy Grail for some people. Along with another event that supposedly happened then no one is allowed to question. There are no "good wars", "good guys" or "bad guys". It is hell.

 

Bet ya didn't know this one!
Chichijima incident - Wikipedia
And what's worse, this was the only one officially tried, there were hundreds if not thousands of accounts of this sort of thing!

 

The Japanese deserved everything they got. They did not recognize the Geneva Convention and committed horrendous war crimes --Bataan Death March, Rape of Nanking, Slave labor camps, POW troop ships outright murders (beheadings, starvation). Pearl Harbor, POW camps for civilians and soldiers (starvation, forced labor), deaths building the Burma railway--13,000.

 

There was also this:
Cave of the Negroes incident
Cave of the Negroes incident

Why is the US military still occupying Japan and Germany 80 years after WW2? Or has 800+ overseas military bases and a $1 TRILLION "defense" budget when our own borders are being invaded and our country is in a slow death spiral?

 

Japanese war crimes - Wikipedia

 

i agree with your content but wikipedia is not a arbiter of truth.

 

i forgot the jap guys name but i think he was 75 and still jungle fighting from ww2. alone, the emperor was god to them. war is awful. throw religion in the mix and its worse. islam comes to mind.

 

The major problem is: to share this information abroad, it would require days of compiling this info, months to research it all, so
Wiki is a reasonable resource for large cashes of information in one convenient location!

As always, take Wiki with a few grains of salt, not everything is 100% true and accurate, but most historicals of this type ARE!

 

i disagree. if it has a tiktok logo i wont watch it. if its on youtube i wont watch it. if its on wikipedia i wont read it.
in the same breath you say they are not true or accurate. as long as these platforms are treated as reliable sources they will continue to lie and subvert our history and our perception of reality. i chose not to support them. this is not a attack on you i simply reject the notion that its just to hard to find info elsewhere. this is obviously not the prevailing opinion on here. i would point out that the op of this thread based his view of history on a youtube video.

 

I believe you are referring to Hiroo Onoda, an Imperial Japanese Army lieutenant, who hid out on Lubang Island, Philippines for 30 years, from 1944 until finally surrendering in 1974. His book, No Surrender is a fascinating story.

 

Revising history is not new and made so much easier via the internet.
Edward Bernays wrote the manual before WW 2. (Propaganda)
Third parties
Bernays argued that the covert use of third parties was morally legitimate because those parties were morally autonomous actors.
"If you can influence the leaders, either with or without their conscious cooperation, you automatically influence the group which they sway", he said. In order to promote sales of bacon, for example, he conducted research and found that the American public ate very light breakfast of coffee, maybe a roll and orange juice. He went to his physician and found that a heavy breakfast was sounder from the standpoint of health than a light breakfast because the body loses energy during the night and needs it during the day. He asked the physician if he would be willing, at no cost, to write to 5,000 physicians and ask them whether their judgment was the same as his—confirming his judgment. About 4,500 answered back, all concurring that a more significant breakfast was better for the health of the American people than a light breakfast. He arranged for this finding to be published in newspapers throughout the country with headlines like '4,500 physicians urge bigger breakfast' while other articles stated that bacon and eggs should be a central part of breakfast and, as a result of these actions, the sale of bacon went up.[

Edward Bernays uncle was Sigmund Freud

Propaganda

 

Curtis LeMay was a war criminal for the firebombing of Tokyo alone. More people died there than at Hiroshima. So was Arthur "Bomber" Harris with Hamburg and Dresden. Had Germany and Japan won, those two would almost certainly have been put on trial as war criminals. Along with Eisenhower for the Rhine Meadows camps and Operation Keelhaul, the turning of anti-communists in Western Allied zones over to the Soviets for either immediate execution or sent to the gulag, which was usually a death sentence.
But the victors write the history, as we know.

 

…….do you propose that you fight a World War to loose ? This is the mistake that has been made in all the “small” conflicts since the end of WW2. Rules and Constraint generally only advantage one side.

 

Give me a break Curtis Lemay and Harris were war criminal- NOT. The Japs got what they deserved and so did the Nazis. The citizens of both countries supported regimes who commit horrendous acts of barbarism on civilians and POWs.
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