The time has already come....

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Tempstar, Nov 3, 2025.


  1. Tempstar

    Tempstar Monkey+++

    So I met up with an old friend. We met about 50 years ago and have been in contact since, spending time together as teens doing shit that should have gotten us killed many times over. We talked about the time we bought dynamite from a guy at the quarry and blew stumps in the riverbank. Reminisced about buying .22 ammo at the store for 3 cents each by the bullet. It was a great day when we picked up enough pop bottles to get 20 rounds to go shoot. And yeah, at 10 years old we both had .22 rifles, mine a Western Auto Revelation lever action that I still have, his a single shot Rossi bolt gun, both gifts from our fathers. Sneaking beers, smoking the occasional cigarette or cigar, driving to the store at 12, We both came to the conclusion that we lived the best life, and that the current dumpster fire that is currently America isn't it.

    We grew up middle class, Dad drove a truck and Mom worked in the cotton mill. We had a nice home and a lot on the river that Dad eventually built a house on. My parents did without to pay extra each month and had that mortgage gone in less than seven years. Somewhere about that time things started changing. Taxes began to increase, first on things like gas and food, then mortgage rates began to climb. Sometime in the 80s, when I had purchased my first home, property tax began to be itemized, showing not just the tax for the property but also a school tax, landfill tax, and administrative fee tax. Car tax went up and the $10 fee to renew my license went to $20. My pay went down because the tax rate increased, not a lot but a little more every few years. Then about 1990 the business license I had went from $10 to $50. I voted against tax increases as did everyone I knew, but it seems they always passed, a penny here for roads, a nickel there for schools. Just the cost of living in a modern society I assumed.

    About the time I was really starting to take notice of how much of my money seemed to be going to someone else, They banned "Assault Weapons". Now I had wanted an AR for so long it had become a goal in life more than just a "want". I had a Ruger Ranch Rifle, but I really wanted one of those cool black Vietcong killin' picees of plastic and steel. It wasn't to be because some people that made laws decided I shouldn't have it. This was the turning point for me. My parents raised me to be prepared and frugal and to stockpile in case times became hard. Like Mom, I would buy a case of paper towels or 24 cans of soup if there was a good sale. This was different though. This wasn't about prices and taxes going up because things were becoming more expensive, this was about some cheap suit in Washington DC making a rule that denied me my dream of an AR-15 and a bunch of mags! It kick started me into paying attention to politics as much as I hated them. It made me start to see how every damn one of them are self-serving money grubbing thieves elected to offices just so they can find more ways to rob the taxpayers. Since that original "awakening" i has only gotten worse. As Allen and myself talked about things like this, the realization hit home: The thing most of us have been preparing for is already here. It didn't arrive as an asteroid burning across the night sky or Russian troops rolling across I-40 but with our own government slowly making us slaves to enrich themselves. They have done it just like eating an elephant, one bite at the time. A law for this, a tax for that. They have used the schools for indoctrination and are just waiting for our generation to die out. Most of us here are around the same age. When we are gone, our kids and grandkids will have accepted all of this as the status quo. They won't have the memories of being truly free. They are tethered to cell phones and social media instead of bicycles and outdoor adventures and accept whatever they see as the way things should be.

    When Japan bombed us, kids flooded recruitment centers to fight in the war, and again after 9/11. When any outsider threatens America, we pull together. The politicians have figured this out and slowly attack us from inside, our own people, not a foreigner that we would band together to send back to hell.

    Like it or not, we are at war. We are slowly being enslaved, our rights chipped away, our wallets being emptied, our freedoms reduced.
     
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  2. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    Great post Tempstar
    We are Taxed on everything, things you wouldn't even think of beginning at the county level -state-federal. I keep asking the question here in SC people are moving in like crazy the tax base continues to grow but my property tax just went up 300 bucks on my house and 300 bucks on a piece of property (undeveloped) I hunt. I'd gladly settle for the taxes our founding fathers paid the King it was nothing compared to what we pay now. 70 million people on food stamps and we who work pay for it
     
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  3. SB21

    SB21 Monkey+++

    I just posted on another forum about this crap ,, only my post was about all of these illegals that have invaded our country under the Obammy and Bedumb era ,,, Obammy brought in ,, at a minimum 70,000 muzzies from Somolia ,,, Bedumb opened the border to anyone that could get here ,, so now ,, about 50% of them are not working,,,, and getting food stamps ,, free housing ,, and spending money ,,, while we work to pay for their free shit. " We " , can't even get all of that. And ,,, they're spitting out anchor babies ,, and the babies are doing the same thing .
    We are being bred out of existence.
    I'm just guessing I may only have 10 - 15 yrs left on this dirtpile ,, and the way things are going ,, I'm not sure I want to spend that much time here ,, the longer I live ,, the longer I have to see our country,, the greatest country ever made ,, being pissed away to a bunch of freeloading asshole dirtbags .
     
  4. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    True story SB. And there just doesn't seem to be any stopping it. Some powerful people elected to office may try, but ultimately their efforts are thwarted by the courts and by the politicians still too large in number to stop.

    The rotten apples are embedded so far in to our political and legal systems they're just seems to be no excising enough of them to slow the destructive processes down, let alone stop them.

    All we can do is vote against them and hope for miracles.

    Another 4 years of an administration like the last one will doom this country.
     
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  5. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Strange...it must be because winter is almost upon us, but I also have been thinking about all this...and more.

    My greatest bitch right now is Property Tax. How in the Hell can anyone, with the sense that God gave a goose, think Property Tax is fair and just. Furthermore, how in the Hell can the people of North Idaho, who pride themselves on being free and the 'Baston of Freedom,' tolerate this horrible, ludicrous, insane method of taxation. It pisses me off to the point of meltdown.

    Example #1, currently the housing market is sky high. My home is extremely overvalued as it has gone up 3X what I paid for it...accordingly, so has the taxes. Now, what will happen when the housing market falls? Well, my taxes should fall, correct? Oh no, that is not how it works out because now the County with all this new money has purchased new personnel, new equipment, and expanded and when your taxes should fall with the housing market, they will come back with hat in hand crying out how they must cut fire stations, police, teachers, schools or etc. and even no one I have ever met votes for it, the increases always pass. So, taxes go up and stay up...

    Example #2 Is it fair after purchasing a small retirement home, with affordable annual taxes, which then triples in value while my revenue stream doesn't triple, that they can seize my home because I cannot afford to pay the tripled taxes? I am not against taxes, but I am against property tax. It's pure Bull$hit and I find it hard to believe it has gone for so long.

    Reference our wonderful 'government of the People,' isn't it strange that EVERYTHING they have done to make life so damn hard and expensive to succeed, even just to have a bit of freedom, is completely legal... However, everything, and I mean, EVERYTHING Adolf Hitler did was also completely legal...everything. My point is just because it is legal does not make it right.

    "Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one". - Thomas Paine

    Think about it. How can it be justified and fair for them to tax my winnings at a casino or the profit I make from gold or stock investments. I took all the risk. I took my own money that I earned, paid tax on it and risked it. It's all on me - yet - the governments get a huge portion of it because...why? They risked nothing, gave nothing and did nothing but get a huge portion if I win. Why? It's the most ridiculous thing, actually stupid, if you think about it... Anything that can benefit me they will ensure to weigh down that benefit. Why? Who the hell are they to get something of mine for nothing?

    Someday, the American people will finally realize that 'government by the People' is a fairy tale they have been told to gain their compliance for about the last 100+ years of corruption and slow despotic creep towards total control...which is already here.

    EDIT: No, we cannot vote our way out of this. The enemy is our own government. It is stifling our lives by its size and needs. Yes, a Leftist government is worse than a Rightist government, but the 'government' is still the problem and the true enemy.
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2025
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  6. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    Bandit 99 I agree with you !00% You will never own your property we just pay rent via property tax to the government. I have no control over the value of my house I built it from 105K in 1995 I built it not the government I worked to pay it off. The government now says it is worth 495K and taxes me on the value. That is intangible wealth, it is meaningless until I sell it which I have no plans to do. Property tax is government sanctioned theft -I do all the repairs I maintain the property the government does nothing. Is it my fault it now costs 300 dollars a square ft to build a house NO!!!!! it is the fault of the government the value of the paper currency isn't worth shit.
    List of some taxes we pay ---There are many more
    Here are the 97 taxes in the US tax code:
    1. Air Transportation Taxes
    2. Biodiesel Fuel Taxes
    3. Building Permit Taxes
    4. Business Registration Fees
    5. Capital Gains Taxes
    6. Cigarette Taxes
    7. Court Fines
    8. Disposal Fees
    9. Dog License Taxes
    10. Drivers License Fees
    11. Employer Health Insurance Mandate Tax
    12. Employer Medicare Taxes
    13. Employer Social Security Taxes
    14. Environmental Fees
    15. Estate Taxes
    16. Excise Taxes On Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
    17. Federal Corporate Taxes
    18. Federal Income Taxes
    19. Federal Unemployment Taxes
    20. Fishing License Taxes
    21. Flush Taxes
    22. Food And Beverage License Fees
    23. Franchise Business Taxes
    24. Garbage Taxes
    25. Gasoline Taxes
    26. Gift Taxes
    27. Gun Ownership Permits
    28. Hazardous Material Disposal Fees
    29. Highway Access Fees
    30. Hotel Taxes (these are becoming quite large in some areas)
    31. Hunting License Taxes
    32. Import Taxes
    33. Individual Health Insurance Mandate Taxes
    34. Inheritance Taxes
    35. Insect Control Hazardous Materials Licenses
    36. Inspection Fees
    37. Insurance Premium Taxes
    38. Interstate User Diesel Fuel Taxes
    39. Inventory Taxes
    40. IRA Early Withdrawal Taxes
    41. IRS Interest Charges
    42. IRS Penalties
    43. Library Taxes
    44. License Plate Fees
    45. Liquor Taxes
    46. Local Corporate Taxes
    47. Local Income Taxes
    48. Local School Taxes
    49. Local Unemployment Taxes
    50. Luxury Taxes
    51. Marriage License Taxes
    52. Medicare Taxes
    53. Medicare Tax Surcharge On High Earning Americans Under Obamacare
    54. Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax
    55. Obamacare Surtax On Investment Income
    56. Parking Meters
    57. Passport Fees
    58. Professional Licenses And Fees (another form of taxation)
    59. Property Taxes
    60. Real Estate Taxes
    61. Recreational Vehicle Taxes
    62. Registration Fees For New Businesses
    63. Toll Booth Taxes
    64. Sales Taxes
    65. Self-Employment Taxes
    66. Sewer & Water Taxes
    67. School Taxes
    68. Septic Permit Taxes
    69. Service Charge Taxes
    70. Social Security Taxes
    71. Special Assessments For Road Repairs Or Construction
    72. Sports Stadium Taxes
    73. State Corporate Taxes
    74. State Income Taxes
    75. State Park Entrance Fees
    76. State Unemployment Taxes (SUTA)
    77. Tanning Taxes
    78. Telephone 911 Service Taxes
    79. Telephone Federal Excise Taxes
    80. Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Taxes
    81. Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Taxes
    82. Telephone State And Local Taxes
    83. Telephone Universal Access Taxes
    84. The Alternative Minimum Tax
    85. Tire Recycling Fees
    86. Tire Taxes
    87. Tolls
    88. Traffic Fines
    89. Use Taxes
    90. Utility Taxes
    91. Vehicle Registration Taxes
    92. Waste Management Taxes
    93. Water Rights Fees
    94. Watercraft Registration & Licensing Fees
    95. Well Permit Fees
    96. Workers Compensation Taxes
    97. Zoning Permit Fees
    Want Help Paying Less in Taxes? Get Educated
     
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  7. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Bad thing about property taxes is the fact that in essence, you never really own your property.
    If you do not pay your taxes, it is seized by the state or county.

    That means they own it, not you. You're just paying rent to them while you pay your mortgage and you continue to pay them rent even after your mortgage is paid in full.

    There's a name for that form of government where the state owns all the property.
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2025
  8. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    Yep How many trillion of dollars was spent protecting us from communist Russia and China ---we are no different.
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2025
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  9. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Yeah, you guys get it. Frankly, this is a boil that is really getting ready to pop. I was listening to the Clay & Buck talk show today and even they say it's insane and could come up with no answer why the American people have tolerated it for so long.

    I just got hit with the medical insurance insanity that is happening this year due to the Inflation Act and etc. About the same medical insurance now cost me an extra $94 month but isn't quite as good, not at all...in reality they take it directly out of my SS pension is now $279 and last year was $175...our 'We the People' at work. Trump can't fix all of this crap and we sure as hell can't vote our way out of it because we have to vote against the government...like that is going to happen.
     
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  10. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    Notice that also. here is something that pisses me off about SS
    it is possible to receive Social Security disability benefits without a work history, through the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program,
     
  11. Tempstar

    Tempstar Monkey+++

    I have friends in both Russia and Brazil. Neither is taxed on their land and pay only a road use tax ($20 a year in Brazil) on their vehicle.
     
  12. CheroKiya

    CheroKiya Monkey

    As a child growing up I remember seeing the utter chaos that was supposed to be called progress and thinking, "the hell it is". The dad I never knew is dead and the mom I thought I'd see grow old gave up over 10yrs ago. If I knew then what I know now I would not be in this country. Hell at 18 the devil himself propositioned me but the thought of eternal darkness was waay beyond scary. Now I realize why there are so many criminals. It's almost the only way to get rich quick, or like most of us, die trying. I know what lies in the dark both good and bad. The light is more beautiful than ever there was a painting. Recently I picked a hitchhiker up and as soon as he jumped in, he exclaimed 3 times, "Jesus Is Coming!". I was on the way to a morgue of all places and was a little taken aback. He said he was going from church to curch to spread the word but didn't know where they were. He also said he had no money so I gave him none. I wish I had given him some money after the fact and ended up dropping him off at a Denny's that had just, that week, closed down. I have no idea where I'll be tomorrow and mostly don't much care anymore either. I just keep my head up and care for those worth caring for.
    The thing that makes every single human on earth equal, and the same, is the suffering, the crying, the pain, and the tears. That's it. Language, religion, color, geography etc. holds no meaning whatsoever. I looked a small girl in the eyes the other day and she beamed so much love at me I was stunned. Love is ALL so choose wisely.
     
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