House passes concealed weapons permit bill

Here's a bit of good news for us gun nuts
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/house-passes-concealed-weapons-1227845.html
A state permit to carry a concealed firearm would be valid in almost every other state in the country under legislation the House passed Wednesday.
The vote was 272-154, with only seven Republicans voting against it and 43 Democrats supporting it.

So what does that mean?

Or in other words I with a Kansas CCW can walk into Calif with my Ruger under my jacket and they cant say nothing...

Don't ya know that has to piss off the Brady Bunch

 

Now all we need is a signature from Bobo the wonder Idiot to make it law.

 

I disagree

I do not consider this good news. Hopefully the senate will trash the idea.
I do not wish the federal government to become involved in CCW issues at all, they will only screw it up. Imagine what the training, requirements, or cost will be IF and WHENS the feds get their hooks into something like CCW permits. You do not think they will force states like NY, NJ, Ca to honor other states CCW permits without some form federal control of what required to obtain that licensce, do you? If this passes it will be the beginning of the end.
Ask any old truckdriver that operated what their licensce cost back in 1988 vs the CDL licensce they are required to have today. Ask them how much harder the testing is today vs back then.
Let the states take care of their own reciprocity agreements. If a state doesn't honor my Mo, FL, or Az permit, Screw'em I don't need to go.

 

Basically, I agree with freedom first's take on it.

I might feel differently if I did not have LEOSA protection that makes my permit good in all states, but I really don't think so (especially since I make no bones about the fact that I believe LEOSA is a violation of states' rights).

I just don't agree with how respect for states' rights suddenly goes out the window when we don't agree with requirements in some states.

We need less power in DC, not more.

 

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It's pointless.... Except to assert federal control over CCW...
Unless I am mistaken, all of the States that have a shall issue laws, share reciprocity with each other.. Only Illinois remains. So, the law would only say what is already being done..

 

Well...I am far from liberal, but I would tend to agree that both sides are guilty of applying the 10th and 14th in whatever way they think will accomplish their goals.

I think anyone supporting this sacrifices any future credibility when arguing for states' rights.

By the way, my copy of the constitution only protects the right to keep and bear arms...not the right to carry them in specifically the manner you wish. If there is a dfferent version, I would appreciate a copy.

 

Why do weapons need to be concealed in the first place. In the old days holsters were fine. Were all fighting an up hill battle.

 

The h.r. bill 822 definitley has some issues, However there is another bill H.R. 2900 which I think is more appropriate. I encourage everyone to contact their representatives and ask them to sponsor H.R. 2900.

 

And what is not specified is reserved to the several states or to the people.

From everything I have read, and I have put some time into it, I believe that the right to carry a gun without regard to who you are was meant by the framers to be a constitutionally protected right. Not for those who carry to carry as they please.

I do not see a protected right to conceal a weapon upon your person and believe a community or state should be able to limit that...or, for that matter, require concealment if that is what the majority there desire.

I admit, this is a hard one for me because I also don't want anyone telling me how to carry (one reason I live and spend the vast majority of my time in the places that I do), but I really hate the concept of the ever more homogenized American society...and the tacit acceptance of federal supremecy inherent in support of this law.

 

the Bill of Rights merely " enumerates " a person's basic rights, making a numbered list of the rights that were given to me by God - those rights existed before the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. That being said, I am thankful they took the time to put them down on paper for all those that might have challenged my rights in the first place

We wouldn't have wanted things to get out of hand.....

 

You know...after further thought, I actually thought of another angle that has me far less sure of my constitutional opposition.

I remembered the "full faith and credit" clause of the constitution...Art 4 Sec 1. Much abused and rarely upheld by SCROTUS...er, I mean SCOTUS, one could argue that it really should negate the need for this law in the first place...

I would think that licensing, whether to drive, marry or carry a concealed weapon would be a public act, record or judicial proceeding.

 

I do not see why this is being over complicated the way it is. Politics maybe?


Let me lay it out in simple terms (as my simple mind sees it):

"The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

No interpretation necessary. If I can not carry what I want, when I want, how I want, it is infringement.

Training is a moral issue.
A) Not in the entire history of government - any government - has legislating moral issues worked as intended.
B) If Joe Blow wants to carry a concealed firearm and use it at their discretion without seeking out appropriate training to enable them to do so safely, efficiently, and effectively that is their problem. Most especially if they decide to employ that firearm unsafely, ineffectively, and inefficiently, in my presence. I believe in the natural order of things. That is MY right.

See? Pretty simple stuff.

 

I like simple.....It works!