America: the land of milk and honey

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    I would be interested to see the rate at which the children of these immigrants are STAYING on welfare programs 10 years after they are no longer dependent on their parents. This would be a more telling statistic for me. Back when my ancestors immigrated to the United States it didn't matter what their level of education was they had to work their way up from the bottom. Now-a-days it seems like immigrants with a solid education do not have poverty issues (IE. the rates of the from the UK, Germany, and Canada). To me, it makes sense that these families would rely on the system to get by as the low end jobs do not pay enough to raise a family anymore. This is why I feel it is important to look at what the children of these immigrants end up doing. Are they going to perpetuate their parents usage of welfare programs to raise their families or are they working their way up and doing better than their parents? (To me, this is what the American dream is, your children are raised to be better than you!)

    I think another important thing to keep in mind is that immigrant is a misnomer for many these days. We hear that word and many of us think ILLEGAL right off the bat. I am not denying that there is a higher proportion of illegal immigrants from Central/Latin American countries than others but these numbers provided are founded by, "Using U.S. Census Bureau data from 2010 and 2011, the group analyzed the more than 50 million legal and illegal immigrants and their American-born children under 18 years of age."

    Place of birth for the foreign-born citizens in the United States
    Top ten countries201020001990
    Mexico 11,711,103 9,177,487 4,298,014
    China 2,166,526 1,518,652 921,070
    India 1,780,322 1,022,552 450,406
    Philippines 1,777,588 1,369,070 912,674
    Vietnam 1,240,542 988,174 543,262
    El Salvador 1,214,049 817,336 465,433
    Cuba 1,104,679 872,716 736,971
    South Korea 1,100,422 864,125 568,397
    Dominican Republic 879,187 687,677 347,858
    Guatemala 830,824 480,665 225,739
    All of Latin America 21,224,087 16,086,974 8,407,837
    All Immigrants 39,955,854 31,107,889 19,767,316
    Source: 1990 and 2000 decennial Census and 2010 American Community Survey

    According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the countries of origin for the largest numbers of illegal immigrants are as follows (latest of 2009):[7]
    Country of originRaw numberPercent of totalPercent change 2000 to 2009
    Mexico 6,650,000 62% +42%
    El Salvador 530,000 5% +25%
    Guatemala 480,000 4% +65%
    Honduras 320,000 3% +95%
    Philippines 270,000 2% +33%
    India 200,000 2% +64%
    Korea 200,000 2% +14%
    Ecuador 170,000 2% +55%
    Brazil 150,000 1% +49%
    China 120,000 1% -37%
    Other 1,650,000 15% -17%
    The Urban Institute estimates "between 65,000 and 75,000 undocumented Canadians currently live in the United States."[16]

    Note (this would total 10,740,000)

    If you are to take the number of legal immigrants and add the estimated 10.74 million illegals to it you get the 50 million person sample size this study claims to have looked at. This means that most of the people in this study are here LEGALLY.



    Its pretty interesting to see, isn't it?





    I would argue that this article doesn't have as much to do with this study in article #1 because they are talking only about Illegals in terms of Obama laws. Which account for just over 21.4% of the people cited in the study in article #1.

    The real problem I have with the 2nd article is that the first two paragraphs talk about Illegal immigrants blah, blah, blah but they use LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrant statistic to inflate the numbers.
     
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