ATF director steps down after bullet ban controversy

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  1. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    The director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is stepping down following controversy surrounding the agency’s proposal to ban certain types of ammunition.

    The ATF announced Friday that Director B. Todd Jones is resigning at the end of the month “to pursue other opportunities in the private sector."

    “ATF employees are hard-working, dedicated individuals who serve the public to make our nation safer every day,” Jones said in a statement. “I have seen firsthand their extraordinary commitment to combating violent crime, ridding the streets of criminals, and leveraging all available resources to keep our communities safe.”

    “I will truly miss leading and working side-by-side with these men and women in their pursuit of ATF’s unique law enforcement and regulatory mission,” he added.

    Jones, who in July 2013 became the first ATF director to be confirmed by the Senate and led the agency after a scandal involving the agency's infamousl botched Operation Fast and Furious" gun tracking initiative, is departing shortly after the agency dropped a controversial attempt to ban certain armor-piercing bullets used in AR-15 rifles.

    The episode was the latest in a series of flaps that has put the Obama administration's ATF at odds with many congressional Republicans. In recent weeks, GOP lawmakers have introduced legislation seeking to tamp down on the agency's authority — and to abolish the ATF altogether.

    Jones’ resignation comes amid a firestorm over the ATF’s proposed bullet ban, which was shelved last week after the agency received tens of thousands of public comments opposing the move.

    The ATF argued that banning 5.56mm armor-piercing bullets that can be used in handguns would protect police officers, but emphasized that it was not attempting to ban all types of bullets.

    However, congressional Republicans and gun groups beat back the ATF’s proposed bullet ban, calling it an infringement on their Second Amendment rights.



    “Second Amendment rights require not only access to firearms, but to bullets,” a group of 53 Republican senators wrote earlier this month in a letter to Jones.

    “If law-abiding gun owners cannot obtain rifle ammunition, or face substantial difficulty in finding ammunition available and at reasonable prices because government entities are banning such ammunition, then the Second Amendment is at risk,” they continued.

    The ATF backed off the proposed bullet ban the next day.

    “The vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework, and include issues that deserve further study,” the agency said. “Accordingly, ATF will not at this time seek to issue a final framework.”

    In a statement anouncing Jones' departure, Attorney General Eric Holder lauded him for his service and "groundbreaking" law enforcement initiatives, including an effort to strengthen ballistic imaging technology that recently played a critical role in the investigation of the shooting of two police officers.

    "As the first ever Senate-confirmed Director of ATF, his indelible legacy will serve as an inspiring example for all those who follow him," Holder said in a statement.

    ATF deputy director Thomas Brandon will take over as acting director until the agency finds a replacement for Jones.
     
  2. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Well hopefully this is a good thing and not someone worse than him taking the helm next.
     
  3. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    If this administration has its way, the replacement will be worse, you can count on it. I say that without a clue as to who is under consideration.
     
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  4. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Just remember he MUST be confirmed by the Senate, and he will certainly be asked about this AMMO Ban business, during that hearing, and anything other than a No Ban, statement, will sink his Confirmation....
     
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  5. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    Obama just threw another off the sled. Wolves will be fat before his reign is finished.
     
  6. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King Site Supporter

    There is really no justification for the ATF (actually BATFE these days, in spite of the fact that they constantly seek the "3 letter status" coveted by agency heads) to exist at all. Every bit of their charter exceeds federal constitutional authority.

    That said, expect anyone named to replace him to be strongly against the idea of guns outside government hands.
     
  7. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

    Look for B. Todd Jones to become a CEO at Troy Industries or Dicks.
     
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  8. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+ Founding Member

    The nice thing about this is the comments that were sent caused the ban to be scrapped

    Of course the dems will be pushing for more bans but with the make up in congress it will be more bs hot air.

    NRA-ILA | M855 Plot Thickens: Congressman Proposes Center-Fire Ammo Ban

    You didn’t need a crystal ball to see this one coming. On Monday, a week after the BATFE withdrew its plan to ban M855 as “armor-piercing ammunition,” U.S. Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) announced that he intends to introduce legislation to “extend the definition of armor-piercing ammunition to include all bullets that can pierce body armor and be used in handguns.”

    The reason you didn’t need a crystal ball is that gun control supporters have been pushing this idea for years. In the 1980s, after NBC-TV did an attack piece on bullets invented for law enforcement officers to shoot through walls and doors, disingenuously calling them “Cop Killer Bullets,” gun control supporters seized upon the term and proposed legislation to ban any bullet that could penetrate a soft protective vest.
     
  9. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    Then there was the time (Think way back machine!) when any rounds you purchased that would fit in a pistol required you to sign a "BOOK". That lasted a couple of years and was also yet another BATF move to control 2nd Amendment rights.

    They will never give up so we must do the same, Never Give Up.

    Then again the above move was when I got serious and started casting and loading my own.

    Origami(sp-pun) and company plus BATF, are the real salesmen for the Gun Industry.
     
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  10. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    One thing about Democrats, They are committed to creating political sucuide for there party.

    I like that!
     
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  11. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+ Founding Member


    Indeed and a time only FFL's could purchase ammo via mail order.
     
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  12. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    Right Gator but not nearly fast enough to suit me
     
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  13. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    That is what prompted me to get my first FFL... I got real tired of buying Ammunition, RETAIL, and decided that Wholesale, was much better.
     
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  14. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+ Founding Member

    Must have had the deal in hand.
    I have full confidence he can screw up the NFL more than it is.
    .................
    Roger Goodell has informed NFL owners that Todd Jones, the former director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, will soon join the league as special counsel for conduct, a league source confirmed to ESPN.

    Tom Williams/CQ Roll Call/Getty ImagesTodd Jones, the former ATF director, will apply and administer the NFL's personal conduct policy.
    Jones is a former U.S. Attorney for Minnesota and was a Marine infantry officer.

    Lisa Friel, a former New York District Attorney's office sex crimes prosecutor, was also named NFL special counsel for investigations.

    According to a source, Goodell decided to split the role for the NFL's conduct czar. Jones will apply and administer the personal conduct policy that applies to all NFL employees, while Friel will professionalize the investigations process.

    Jones' pending appointment by the NFL was reported earlier Monday by the New York Post.
    Todd Jones, former ATF director, to join NFL as conduct czar - ESPN
     
  15. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    Just shows how the Gov and the Sports groups are tied into the Media circle/Circus.
     
  16. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter

    @HK_User is right, Provide the "entertainment" to the mass's so they won't notice the barbarians storming the gates..
     
  17. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    I doubt most are aware that the NFL is a TAX EXEMPT group.

    Kill the NFL and all the other Government Supported Circus Groups and you might see an awakening.

    Get them off their asses and on their feet.
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2015
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  18. mysterymet

    mysterymet Monkey+++

    Oh crap now they will surely and completely ruin football. I used to love watching football.
     
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