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Candidate Poll at J&G Sales...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TnAndy, Jan 28, 2008.

  1. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member


    Look in the lower right hand corner......Paul barely ahead of McLame at this point.
  2. Higgy

    Higgy Tinkerer

    I can't believe the people who have voted for Twit Romney, and are frequenting J&G. Of all the Republican candidates, he is the only one who is unclear on his stand on guns and gun control. Romney is a pretty-boy, fence-straddler, who will say anything, do anything to get the election.

    I totally agree with Ron Paul's stand on many things, if things look like the Dems are way ahead in this race, I won't be wasting my vote for Paul, because frankly, he doesn't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of ever getting elected, much like Ross Perot last time. I'm afraid that like Perot, the votes that go Ron Paul's way would dilute the efforts of voters who really want their candidate to make a difference.

    You call him McLame, but I do not agree. It should be: Mc-lesser-of-many-evils. McLain certainly would not be my first choice, but he will certainly get my vote over any of the Democratic frontrunners. My first priority is the safety of me and my family, the preservation of my freedom, and the security of my right to bear arms. I can't see how Romney will do any of these things for those of us who hold dear our guns, and our Second Amendment Rights.
  3. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    This sums it up quite nicely and I think I'll use it.

  4. Valkman

    Valkman Knifemaker Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Nothing unclear about Romney - he signed in a AWB in his state while gov and supported the national AWB. He or Guliani would probably be as bad as a Dem as President.
  5. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member


    If you want the US to be in perpetual war, vote for McCain......he plans to give it.

    His border control policy is "let 'er rip", or however you say that in Spanish....

    If you want a guy that personally did everything he could to block getting info on Vietnam war POWs/MIAs, then McCain is your man.

    And he has no chance of beating the Democrat in the fall, which is why TPTB want him on the ticket.....the only person who is scarier than Hillary.

    Talk about wasting your vote.....at least with Ron Paul, I make a statement.
  6. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

    Why McCain Would be Worse Than Bush

    by Patrick J. Buchanan

    In 2004, the voters of Arizona, by 56 percent to 44 percent, enacted Proposition 200, requiring proof of citizenship before an individual may vote or receive state benefits. Forty-six percent of Hispanics voted for Prop. 200, giving the lie to those who say Hispanics support the illegal invasion of their country.

    Over 190,000 Arizonans petitioned to put Prop. 200 on the ballot. As it simply required proof of citizenship before receiving the benefits and privileges of citizenship, who could oppose it? Answer: the entire GOP congressional delegation, led by Sen. John McCain.

    This is the same John McCain who battled the border fence and colluded with Teddy Kennedy on the amnesty bill rejected by Congress last year after a national uproar.

    Bottom line: If the presidential race is between Hillary and Amnesty John, the border security battle is over and lost. As Laura Ingraham asks, “If Congress passes McCain-Kennedy in 2009, would President McCain sign it?”

    For conservatives, the stakes could not be higher.

    For on the great controversies, McCain has sided as often with the Democrats and the Big Media that pay him court as with conservatives.

    Where President Bush has been bravest, on taxes and judges, McCain has been his nemesis. Not only did McCain vote against the Bush tax cuts twice, he colluded to sell out the most conservative of the Bush nominees to the courts.

    In 1993, McCain voted to confirm ACLU liberal and pro-abortion Ruth Bader Ginsburg. But when Bush set out to restore constitutionalism, McCain colluded with Democrats who wanted to retain power to kill Bush’s most conservative nominees.

    McCain helped form the Gang of 14, including seven Democrats, who agreed to block a GOP Senate from using the “nuclear option” – allowing a simple GOP majority to break a Democrat filibuster of judicial nominees – unless the seven Democrats approved. McCain thus conspired with liberals to put at risk the most courageous conservatives nominees of President Bush.

    With his record of voting for liberal justices Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, and of colluding with Democrats in their campaign to kill the most conservative Bush nominees, what guarantee is there a President McCain will nominate and fight for the fifth jurist who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade?

    In the battle over campaign finance reform, McCain colluded again. The McCain-Feingold law denies to gun folks and right-to-lifers their basic First Amendment right to name friends and foes in ads run before elections.

    As for the policies that have transparently failed Bush and the nation, McCain remains an obdurate advocate.

    After America has run five straight record trade deficits that have denuded the nation of thousands of factories and 3 million manufacturing jobs, McCain is still babbling on about Smoot-Hawley.

    “When you study history, every time we’ve adopted protectionism, we’ve paid a very heavy price,” McCain told a Detroit paper after informing Michiganders their auto jobs are never coming back.

    But what history is John McCain talking about?

    Was the Tariff of 1816, which saved infant U.S. industries from the malicious dumping by British merchants after the War of 1812, a failure? Were Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Calhoun and Henry Clay fools to support President Madison’s tariff?

    From Abraham Lincoln through Calvin Coolidge, the Republican Party – the Party of Protection – put 12 presidents in the White House to two for the Democrats, and the United States became the mightiest industrial power in history, producing 42 percent of the world’s manufactured goods.

    This is failure – while Bush free trade is a success? Tell it to Ohio.

    Even Hillary Clinton, whose husband enacted NAFTA with McCain’s support, has begun to question the NAFTA paradigm. Not McCain.
  7. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

  8. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    found this at THR...

    Not too many gun-owners seem surprised when informed of Rudy Guliani's anti-gun record...

    "...Giuliani sued gun makers and distributors, backed a federal assault weapons ban and once described the NRA as extremist..."

    It raises a few more eyebrows to learn that just a few years ago (2004), Mitt Romney signed an "Assault Weapons Ban" in Massachusetts.

    But what does seem to surprise many, perhaps because of his reputation as a "War Hero", is how Arizona Senator John McCain has been one of the Second Amendment's most active enemies and worst threats. For example, he was NRA's nemisis as recent as 2001, pushing "Gun Show Loophole" (sic) legislation that would have ended gun shows in America.

    1999: McCain on Guns

    2000: McCain-Lautenberg?

    2001: Senator McCain On The Big Screen
  9. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

    McCain is about a slimy a snake as ever crawled in a wagon rut.....the more you study him, the easier that is to see.
  10. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I'll take John before Rudy, not that it is saying much.
  11. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    everybody given up on that paul guy?
  12. zarraza

    zarraza Survivalist in training

    negative ghost rider
  13. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I still carry him on the top of my list. But, you have to know the enemy. Our enemies are legion, and headed by McLain, Guiliani, Huckabee, Romney, and the rest of them (not mentioning the donkeys.) If we can't get the one we want, we need to know what the options are, and know them in detail so we stand half a chance of not shooting ourselves in the foot.

    Our boy is leading in a lot of areas, but I remain unconvinced that he can win the nomination. "The Word" is not getting out in the mainstream, so those that don't bother reading and knowing what is going on are unaware of the benefits of looking past the front runners that the MSM tout. That's where our contributions of money (and time at the rallies) will help tremendously. Do your own research as well, because not all you see here and there is overly accurate, there is much misinformation available. Here, I have come to depend on as good stuff. But I check it. "Trust, but verify" is the watchword.

    Also, as all things in this life, you can't have the moon. Look these guys over, you have to know where the compromises need to be made. We all know what Ron wants to do, and we should have a pretty good idea by now of what he will be able to do. Not all of it will happen.

    What is it? Keep your head in the clouds, but your feet on the ground.
  14. MbRodge

    MbRodge Monkey+++

    For the record I just checked the stats on J&G and Paul was leading with 35% Also for the record I will be voting for Ron Paul even if it is a write in.
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