http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/tout-terrain.asp http://www.surlybikes.com/bigdummy.html http://www.salsacycles.com/fargo09.html http://www.xtracycle.com/ http://fossilfool.com/ecommerce/proddetail.php?prod=FreeRadical You will notice one thing: Lack of suspension on all the models. Although I have three full suspension bikes for recreational use. Suspension parts are not the most reliable and add to the required maintenence. My Salsa Ala'carte is a "full ridged" bike for the simplicity and reliability. I will convert it to a cargo bike, and plan upon adding 2 new salsa 'Fargo's' to the fleet for bike path's and camping.