Free energy ?

Discussion in 'Off Grid Living' started by SLugomist, Jun 14, 2010.

  1. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    Free energy TurXator ready for license from Alperen Group

    A Turkish inventor, Attila Alperen, and his group who have been developing an overunity motor/generator technology for over a decade, having built some 100 prototypes, are now saying they are ready to license the technology for production. Electric output ranges from several watts to megawatts. Motor output targeted for EV market.
    by Sterling D. Allan
    Pure Energy Systems News
    Copyright © 2010

    Free energy TurXator ready for license from Alperen Group
  2. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    I played around and made a bedini motor a couple of years back.
    It definitely charges batteries, but nowhere near overunity.
    It was a cool project and I used it as a learning tool to teach me electronics.
    I joined a board of bedini experimenters - what a joke - they had a bunch of elaborate spreadsheets and weren't even accounting for runtime.
    Bottom line - there is no free lunch!
  3. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Always look for the hidden power cable.......

  4. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    Yeah it does use power but apparently it, for example draws 100 watts, but emits 200 watts.

    True there is no free lunch, but Tesla did describe a way to pull electrons from the ionosphere, pretty much free. Obviously the sun and earth were inputting more energy than you'd get but you could still take some for free.
  5. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    I'd love for it to be true, but I'd like to see it put through some rigorous tests first. Hopefully he'll submit his black box for further scrutiny.

    That's the problem with all of these things - either the inventors are not forthcoming or no one can duplicate their results.

    I like the idea of cold fusion - admittedly, I haven't kept up with the news on it. Although it was hard to replicate, people have done it. But it seems like no one can make it workable or even explain what exactly is happening.
  6. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Mother nature says thou shalt not get more out than you put in. Immutable. This guy is a charlatan looking for investors to fleece, count on it.
  7. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Have to read up on Tesla - any suggestions?
  8. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    Tesla, Man out of time.

    Margaret Cheney, Touchstone, copyright 1981
    ISBN-13 978-0-7432-1536-7

    I wish I could find the quoteinthe book. But it went sort of like this. "when Tesla would conduct some of his experiments in colorado, no man would catch any fish and all wildlife would head for the hills away from the experimental station" In reference to producing the low frequency related to all living creatures.

    most of his patents are classified national security.

    think HAARP and star wars.

    IMO Tesla was and is the smartest man ever on earth, probelm is most of his ideas are being used malevolently
  9. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Thanks. Will check it out.
  10. RouteClearance

    RouteClearance Monkey+++

    Yes, I have no doubt that Tesla had an IQ that went well above 135, but even he would have not been able to defeat the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
    ghrit likes this.
  11. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    He isn't beating it. He's tapping energy that's just circulating in the atmosphere. The energy is there already. He's not making energy where there is none.

    He just found a way to draw out that energy. Hence you could call it free. Just as some might call solar energy free. btw he started solar power as well.
  12. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    The Earth's Electrostatic Charge
    Tesla's intent was to condense the energy trapped between the earth and its upper atmosphere and to transform it into an electric current. He pictured the sun as an immense ball of electricity, positively charged with a potential of some 200 billion volts. The earth, on the other hand, is charged with negative electricity. The tremendous electrical force between these two bodies constituted, at least in part, what he called cosmic energy. It varied from night to day and from season to season but it is always present.
    The positive particles are stopped at the ionosphere and between it and the negative charges in the ground, a distance of 60 miles, there is a large difference of voltage - something on the order of 360,000 volts. With the gases of the atmosphere acting as an insulator between these two opposite stores of electrical charges, the region between the ground and the edge of space traps a great deal of energy. Despite the large size of the planet, it is electrically like a capacitor which keeps positive and negative charges apart by using the air as a non-conducting material as an insulator.
    The earth has a charge of 96,500 coulombs. With a potential of 360,000 volts, the earth constitutes a capacitor of .25 farads (farads = coulombs/volts). If the formula for calculating the energy stored in a capacitor (E =1/2CV2) is applied to the earth, it turns out that the ambient medium contains 1.6 x 1011 joules or 4.5 megawatt-hours of electrical energy. In order to utilize this high-voltage energy you must do two things -- make an energy sink and then devise a way of making the "sink" oscillate.
    "Zero-Point Energy?"
    Such a "sink" has to be at a lower energy state than the surrounding medium and, for the energy to continually flow into it, the energy must be continually pumped out of it. Additionally, this "sink" must maintain a lower energy state while meeting the power requirements of the load attached to it. Electrical energy, watt-seconds, is a product of volts x amps x seconds. Because the period of oscillation does not change, either voltage or current has to be the variable in this system's energy equation. Bifilar wound coils are used in the system because a bifilar wound coil maximizes the voltage difference between its turns, the current is then minimized.
    A coil in our system, then, will be set into oscillation at its resonant frequency by an external power source. During the "zero-point" portion of its cycle the coil will appear as one plate of a capacitor. As the voltage across the coil increases, the amount of charge it can siphon will increase. The energy that is taken into the coil through the small energy window (zero-point), call it what you will, appears to be the key to the success of this system. It is at this zero-point where energy is condensed into positive and negative components of current. When energy escapes from the "sink" the magnetic field collapses and a strong magnetic quake is created in it's wake. A properly tuned system can capture and convert radiant energy in such a prescribed arrangement.
  13. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    4.5 megawatt hours doesn't seem to be a whole lot, and we don't know the losses. Taking the above item stating 100 watts in gets 200 watts out, then one might say not all of the 4.5 can be recovered, which is even less. The recovery mechanism isn't clear to me either, how are the 4.5 MWhrs restored if withdrawn?

    The total electrical power usage is well into the gigawatt range. Not exactly comparable.
  14. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    This is exactly what the Bedini motor with it's bifilar coil attempts to capture. The problem is - is what you're seeing at the zero point, so called "radiant energy" or flyback? On an oscilloscope, you can clearly see a voltage spike of 150v (in a 12v system) - but that's not atypical of flyback. The question is whether the power output during this time is anything special - I didn't have the equipment or knowledge to figure that one out.
    More to the point - can you even measure this "radiant energy" (if it exists) using equations and equipment suited for electronics? I don't know but It was a bit disconcerting to find that most of the folks doing these experiments in their basements had less understanding than I did (and I was and still am a rookie).
  15. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    Wether or not it's bunk or fact, is up for debate. I personally think it's possible and wish I had paid more attention in Physics II, electricity and magnetism. I've still the text books but not the werewithal to learn it.
    I think the answer is there but as I have seen in my chemical experiences the answer is so simple that the "experts" overlook it, or there is no money to be made in answering it.

    I agree that the 4.5 mega watt hours doesn't sound like much, it doesn't sound right considering... A lightning flash is brighter than ten million 100-watt lightbulbs, and contains billions of watts - as much power as in all the electricity plants in the United States.


    The power generated by a large wind turbine is of the order of 1 or 2 megawatts. Wind turbines are typically installed in a group called a Wind farm.
    <DL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0.2em; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.5em"><DD style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.1em; MARGIN-LEFT: 2em; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em">The Port Alma Wind Farm in Ontario, has 44 turbines and a capacity of 101.2 megawatts.</DD><DD style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.1em; MARGIN-LEFT: 2em; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em">The largest wind farm in the world is Florida Power & Light's Horse Hollow Wind Energy Center, located in Taylor County, Texas, with 421 turbines and a capacity of 735 Megawatts.</DD></DL>Large coal-fired, nuclear, and hydroelectric power stations can generate hundreds of Megawatts to multiple Gigawatts. Some examples:
    <DL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0.2em; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.5em"><DD style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.1em; MARGIN-LEFT: 2em; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em">The Three Mile Island Nuclear Generating Station in the USA has a rated capacity of 802 megawatts.</DD><DD style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.1em; MARGIN-LEFT: 2em; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em">The coal-fired Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station in the UK has a rated capacity of 2 gigawatts.</DD><DD style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.1em; MARGIN-LEFT: 2em; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em">The planned expansion of Vogtle Electric Generating Plant will add 2.3 Gigawatts with construction of 2 new AP1000 nuclear reactors.</DD><DD style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.1em; MARGIN-LEFT: 2em; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em">The Aswan Dam hydro-electric plant in Egypt has a capacity of 2.1 gigawatts.</DD><DD style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.1em; MARGIN-LEFT: 2em; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em">The Three Gorges Dam hydro-electric plant in China will have a capacity of 22.5 gigawatts when complete; 18.2 gigawatts capacity is operating as of 2010.</DD></DL>Gas turbine power plants can generate tens to hundreds of megawatts. Some examples:
    <DL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0.2em; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.5em"><DD style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.1em; MARGIN-LEFT: 2em; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em">The Indian Queens simple-cycle peaking power station in Cornwall UK, with a single gas turbine is rated 140 megawatts.</DD><DD style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.1em; MARGIN-LEFT: 2em; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em">The Medway Power Station, a combined-cycle power station in Kent, UK with two gas turbines and one steam turbine, is rated 700 megawatts</DD></DL>
  16. RouteClearance

    RouteClearance Monkey+++

    Tom Bearden has claimed the same thing with his so called MEG Motor, but everytime that a he is called out to produce a workable model, he has failed to deliver, yet schelps for more money for further research(Which, by the way has been going on for over twenty years now).

    I my self am not saying that pulling these socalled free electrons out of thin air is impossible, but highly problematic with the level of Physics that we understand today. So what I will do is to let you give your money to this individual and let me know when you have a working model in your hands. As Ghrit has stated above this is just another free energy scam to try and to separate you from your hard earned money.
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