Fukashima Update! "Nothing to see here, move along!"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Gopherman, Aug 11, 2014.

  1. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    That's background levels of radiation used to kill microbes and Bacteria, much the same process as UV sterilizers. The Radiation being released from these plants is different. ghrit has a much better handle on explaining that than me so I defer to him. However Hyperthyroid disorder has increased all along the west coast by 18% that's almost 1 in 5 children more being born with thyroid problems since this mess first started. THAT'S A FACT! for all those who continue to 'FOO FOO" this thing and just as the CDC covered up that AUTISM ( Which My nephew suffer from severely) being linked to MMR Vaccines,
    Whistleblower reveals CDC cover-up linking MMR vaccine to autism - Phoenix Crime | Examiner.com
    it stands to reason that we are not being told everything we should be, ABOUT ANYTHING!
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  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    OK, I'll take a whack at this, gopher.
    Irradiated foods are set in a shielded environment and what amounts to hosed down with gamma rays (photons) which are nothing more than highly energetic "light" rays, not background at all. Those photons smack the snot out of any organisms that may be hiding out in the food. There is no residual radioactivity remaining after irradiation. It's the microscopic organisms that limit shelf life of foods, do away with them, store in sealed and sterilize containers and you are good to go for a LONG time. The "hosing" is done with machines very similar to common x-ray machines, not radioisotopes. Don't try this at home, it takes pretty specialized equipment with way more intense fields than x-rays.

    So far as I know, isotopes are not used on foodstuffs or in clinical settings, but they are for industrial purposes. For those applications, isotopes (par ex., CO60) are transported to the (par ex., a weld joint) object needing the penetrating radiation to show internal defects. This is because moving an x-ray machine is nearly impossible in most cases. When the isotopes are used rather than the machines, the age of the isotope has to be known for exposure calibration purposes.

    BTW, sunlight (photons) is a pretty good disinfectant. Momma nature saw fit to make it that way for some animals and birds. Vulture necks are a prime example, as are eagle feathers. Makes for less illness in the carrion eating critters.
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  3. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    If the Particles come from Natural Decay, of a Radioactive Isotope, that is part of the fish flesh, then your body will do one of two things with that isotope. It will either incorporate it into your living Flesh, or eliminate it out your Poopshoot. If you Poop it out, No harm No foul... If that particular Isotope is like Iodine, Strontium 90, or some of the other Heavy Metals, then it stays in you, and when It decays, the place where it is located gets Zapped, by that Photon, Alpha, or Beta Radiation. So if you get a lot of whatever "It" is, then lots of you gets Zapped as those atoms decay. It is the same with the fish. However, most of the Isotopes leaving Fukushima, are of KNOWN Isotopes, and MOST have fairly short HalfLifes, Like in Days, some even Hours. Those will never reach the West Coast, in the Water, or even in a Fish, before they decay. So again No Harm, No foul. What the Radiation Specialists are looking for, is Isotopes with very LONG HalfLifes, like in Decades, and Centuries. But Even then, the Exposure Rate is still, extremely Limited, by dilution, in the Ocean Water, and the life cycle of the fish. (Salmon usually are somewhere between a 2 and 7 Year Cycle, depending specie, and Age Factor. So if a fish doesn't get caught, but makes it to the Spawning Beds, and Reproduces, then again No harm, No foul, and it's Offspring then repeat the Cycle, and enter back into the Ocean, where they may, or may not eat some more of the Radiological Isotopes, that may or may not be floating in the particular part of the Ocean, where they are feeding. So far the Big Boys looking at this, (Scripts Institute, Woods Hole, NOAA) haven't found ANYTHING, that is statistically relevant, and above normal Background Levels, in ANY Salmon Flesh caught on the West Coast of North America. So, they keep looking...

    Just a NOTE, here: Irradiated Foods, use Gamma Photons to Irradiate the FoodStuffs, which KILLS ALL Living Organisms, IN or ON the Foodstuff.
    It is like a super High Powered XRay, but doesn't do Squat to the proteins, and nutrients in the FoodStuff itself. The Radiation Source never physically touches the FoodStuff, but is secured behind Heavy Shielding, which has a Sealed Sapphire Window, that they lower a shielding plate, to allow the Gamma Rays to escape, into the Irradiation Chamber. This technology is about 40 years old.....
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  4. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    good to know, gentlemen. I know the steak was pushing 10 years, from it's labeling, and was quite good. now I have some idea why.
  5. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    I have noticed that they sell them or show them this year with head off !! , I see the west / pacific fish when in stores , I'll view the streams this weekend , I see the fisherman are on the banks so there running . I'm not testing , I haven't had fish from the chuck for a few years .. Lobster from east coast , trout (lots of bones ) there are choices .. FDA approved ADA , fda is a Joke !! Were Adults , make your own choice
  6. fmhuff

    fmhuff Monkey+++

    Probably nothing to concern yourself with.
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  7. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

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  8. DarkLight

    DarkLight Live Long and Prosper - On Hiatus Site Supporter

    @Gopherman - That last one is more than a little bit frightening! :)
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  9. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    Caught that one on Friday!ohno
  10. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    Shut California's Fukushima: Diablo Must Go » EcoWatch
    The catastrophe at Fukushima was not an accident. It’s unfolding again in California.
    The next west coast quake could easily shake the two reactors at Diablo Canyon to rubble.
    They are riddled with defects, can’t withstand potential seismic shocks from five major nearby fault lines, violate state water quality laws and are vulnerable to tsunamis and fire.
    Diablo’s owner, Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E), is in deep legal and financial crisis.

    A 42-page report from NRC inspector Dr. Michael Peck says new fault line discoveries challenge Diablo’s “presumption of nuclear safety.”
    The California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) has just proposed that PG&E be fined $1.4 billion for a 2010 gas explosion and fire that killed eight people and obliterated a neighborhood in San Bruno. The federal government has announced 28 indictments, meaning the CPUC fine may just be the tip of a very expensive iceberg for PG&E. The San Bruno disaster was caused by pipeline defects about which PG&E had been warned for years, but failed to correct. The fines cover 3,798 separate violations of laws and regulations, both state and federal. PG&E was previously fined $38 million for a 2008 pipeline explosion in Rancho Cordova.

    Similar defects remain uncorrected at Diablo Canyon, whose radioactive cloud could span the continental U.S. in four days. Mass citizen action recently shut two coastal reactors at San Onofre. It must do the same at Diablo before the next quake hits.

    Ironically, as America’s Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) allows Diablo to operate, all 54 reactors in Japan remain shut. Its Nuclear Regulatory Authority has just ordered the Tsuruga reactor to be scrapped because of its vulnerability to earthquakes. Two more elderly reactors at Mihama may also be terminated before year’s end.

    At Fukushima, Tokyo Electric Power now admits that far more radiation is spewing into the Pacific than previously admitted. The thyroid cancer death rate among children in the area is 40 times normal. So is the still-rising childhood thyroid abnormality rate, a terrifying re-run of downwind Chernobyl.
    Tepco has begun paying compensation to local suicide victims, including the widower of a woman who doused herself with kerosene before burning herself alive.
    All of it predictable.
    For decades Japanese citizens warned Tepco not to build reactors in an earthquake/tsunami zone. The company repeatedly ignored safety warnings and tolerated known defects that worsened the disaster.
    Diablo Canyon’s twin reactors sit eight miles west of San Luis Obispo, between Los Angeles and San Francisco, surrounded by earthquake faults.
    The Hosgri, three miles offshore, was found as the reactors were being built. Design specifications were never fully altered to account for it. Nor have they been upgraded for the newly-found Los Osos, San Luis Bay and Shoreline faults. The Shoreline lies just 650 yard from Diablo’s cores.
    The massive San Andreas fault is just 45 miles away, about half as far as was the March 11, 2011, Richter-9.0 epicenter from Fukushima.
    A shock that size from any of the fault lines near Diablo could reduce it to a seething pile of radioactive hell, far deadlier than Fukushima. Prevailing winds could blanket virtually all of North America with its deadly fallout.
    The nuclear industry would immediately deny all health impacts. It would blame “unpredictable” God and nature.
    But a 42-page report from NRC inspector Dr. Michael Peck says new fault line discoveries challenge Diablo’s “presumption of nuclear safety.”
    Buried by the NRC for at least a year, it was released by Friends of the Earth and reported on by the Associated Press and the great enviro-journalist Karl Grossman, as well as by the Nuclear Information & Resource Service and Beyond Nuclear.
    Peck has a doctorate in nuclear engineering and was Diablo’s chief on-site inspector for five years. He’s now a senior instructor at the NRC’s Technical Training Center in Tennessee. His status as a current NRC employee makes such a critical report highly unusual—and alarming.
    Nuclear engineer Arnie Gundersen has warned about sea-level intake pipes like those at Diablo. When the tsunami struck Fukushima, he writes, “The cooling equipment along the shoreline was turned into a scrap yard of twisted metal.”
    Then there is fire.
    Diablo Canyon, writes David Lochbaum of the Union of Concerned Scientists, “has never, ever complied with fire safety regulations, not even for a second by mistake.”
    “The one-two punch of earthquake/tsunami caused Fukushima,” Lochbaum wrote in an email to me.
    “A one-two punch of earthquake/fire could cause Diablo Canyon.”
    But, says Lochbaum, “It can’t be an accident. Not when the company and its alleged regulator both know that the plant does not met earthquake and fire safety regulations.
    “That cannot cause an accident. Criminal negligence perhaps. At least malicious mayhem. But not an accident.”
    More than 10,000 people were arrested trying to stop Diablo in the 1970s and ‘80s. During the delays they caused, PG&E found major errors in reading key blueprints involving some of Diablo’s most critical equipment.
    Damage is still being tallied from California’s Aug. 25 Napa Valley quake. The 1994 Northridge quake killed 57 people, injured roughly 5,000. The Loma Prieta quake during the 1989 World Series killed 63 people, injured more than 3,700. The infamous 1906 San Francisco quake leveled the city and killed thousands.
    New shocks at Diablo Canyon could dwarf all those numbers—and Fukushima’s.
    Tens of millions of Americans would be irradiated. Our continent’s eco-systems would be poisoned. Our nation’s economy would be gutted.
    But as at San Bruno, there would be no excuses.
  11. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    In my opinion...

    This is ALL anybody needs to see...Watch it to the end, you might sh*t yourself.

    Longer version by PBS:
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2014
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  12. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    Oh, you Silly Conspiracy Theorist!!![OO]
    The Government says everything is fine! What are you? Unpatriotic?
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  13. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Always with the negative waves, Moriarty. - YouTu…:

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  14. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    I loved that movie! what was the name?
    That"s Funny!
    Not since the 50's! All been down hill after that!
  15. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Kelly's heros
  16. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

  17. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

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  18. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    That is what their next step in research includes. Primary purpose is in stabilizing the containment vault.
  19. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Some might call that Alchemy>A seemingly magical power or process of transmuting.
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  20. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    I believe they will end up with radioactive bacteria, that mutates every time you look at it, and want to eat everything.
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