GUESS Who tallies Iowa Caucus?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AlterEgo, Jan 2, 2008.

  1. AlterEgo

    AlterEgo Monkey+++

    For what it's worth. I ain't sayin, I just saying.......AE

    The Israeli Defense Company That Tallies the Iowa

    By Christopher Bollyn

    The Iowa caucus is only a few days away and the
    nation's attention will be directed to the results,
    which signify the beginning of the U.S. presidential
    race. But does anyone watch who tallies the results of
    the Iowa caucus?

    The Iowa caucus results were tallied in 2004 by a
    company that is headed by a man whose company was
    bought by Elron Electronics, the Israeli defense firm.
    I suspect that it will be the same this year. Don't
    expect to see any grassroots political activists doing
    the tally in Iowa. The Israeli defense establishment
    takes care of that part of the American "democratic"
    election process.


    In the summer of 2004, I first learned that a foreign
    and out-of-state company using Interactive Voice
    Response (IVR) technology tallied the Iowa caucus

    The system used to tally the 2004 Iowa caucus results
    was provided by a company called Voxeo, which was
    apparently based in Orlando, Florida.

    Now, who really is Voxeo, and why are the Iowa caucus
    results tallied by them? I don't know if the 2008 Iowa
    results will be tallied in the same way, but I
    wouldn't doubt it.

    Voxeo is headed by Jonathan Taylor, who is the
    company's President and CEO. This is what his Voxeo
    webpage says about him:

    Jonathan combined his experience in both business
    operations and technology innovation to found Voxeo in
    1999. Under his guidance, Voxeo has seen triple-digit
    revenue growth for four consecutive years and has been
    profitable since January, 2004. Prior to Voxeo,
    Jonathan founded and helped bring three additional
    software and infrastructure service companies to

    From 1995 to 1997, Jonathan was the founder and
    President of InterResearch and Development Group
    (IRdg), Inc. IRdg created and licensed iPost - the
    first internet powered OEM unified messaging solution
    - to leading telecommunications providers including
    Ericsson, Motorola and Unisys. IRdg was acquired by
    Elron Electronic Industries (Nasdq: ELRN) subsidiary
    MediaGate in 1997.

    There you have it. Jonathan Taylor's company, which he
    founded, was taken over by Elron Electronic
    Industries, the Israeli defense high tech company:

    In its early days, Elron focused on defense,
    particularly electronics and avionics, as well as the
    emerging medical and technology sectors. In 1966,
    Elron founded Elbit, which combined the expertise of
    the Ministry of Defense-Research Institute in special
    computer design with Elron's experience in electronic
    product design, manufacture and management.


    This is important information that Americans need to
    know and which they will not find in the
    Zionist-controlled media in the United States. It
    needs to be understood that the entire election
    process in the United States is a fraud. More than
    that, it is a fraud that is being perpetrated by the
    Israeli defense establishment on the naïve and
    gullible American public.

    The sine qua non of an honest and transparent election
    process is the open counting of the votes by the
    voters themselves in each polling station in front of
    the open eyes of other citizens and members of the
    media. Any compromise in this most fundamental and
    essential process which acts to remove the citizenry
    from the vote-counting process simply cannot be

    This is what Americans MUST get back to, in every
    polling station in the nation: paper ballots that are
    hand counted in front of the public.

    Nothing else will do to protect their democratic
    franchise in the United States - NOTHING.
  2. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    Agreed. That would seem a fundamental of a truly free, democratic society, now wouldn't it.
  3. hartage

    hartage Monkey+++

    Ok I don't get this logic.

    A company Jonathan Taylor founded was bought out by another company that was founded by another company. So that makes the company Jonathan Taylor currently runs somehow bad ??

    So if I worked at Macdonalds back in 1997 then burgerking which was founded by the walmart corp buys out Macdonalds that makes the company I work for now somehow a pawn of walmart ???

    This makes no sense. Under the same logic every single company you work for or start yourself is a pawn of the very FIRST company you worked for or start.

    I'm sorry, but I can guarantee you the first company I worked for (carl's Jr. yes fast food) has nothing to do with what I do now. In fact I can say that I am not a pawn of Carl's Jr. by any stretch of the imagination.

    Read the Christopher Bollyn rant again.... but this time carefuly and try to make sense of it. See if it all matches up in your head.

    Question everything especially things you want dearly to be true.
  4. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    The counting has never presented a problem to me, whether manual or some other way. It is the reporting that gets in the way between count and totalizing.
  5. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I think the point of it is that the votes are being counted by a private company rather than by the voters and public persons then tomake it worse the company that is counting them happens to be a foriegn company and to further complicate it that company is tied to the government of a nation we provide a lot of aid to and has issues with nations we are at war with and others we have strained relations with so their government would have reason to want to be sure the next president has foriegn policy ideas that serve them well and since they own the company counting the votes they COULD choose who the next president is since they tell us who got elected based on numbers they come up with. So the problem is simply that there is no transparency allowing the voters to monitor the counting and instead a company with vested intrests in who wins gets to tell us the results.
  6. Valkman

    Valkman Knifemaker Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I'm sure that as soon as a candidate wins that Mr. Bollyn supports then he won't have a problem with Voxeo anymore. The same machines will be used and the same people will count them but it'll suddenly be a non-issue.
  7. hartage

    hartage Monkey+++

    You missed the point, read carefuly on Mr. Bollyn's creative associations. He connected the dots on an Israeli company controlling IRDG. But the company that is doing the tallying is Voxeo.

    [/quote] IRdg was acquired by
    Elron Electronic Industries (Nasdq: ELRN) subsidiary
    MediaGate in 1997.
    There you have it. Jonathan Taylor's company, which he
    founded, was taken over by Elron Electronic
    Industries, the Israeli defense high tech company [/quote]

    The only connection between Voxeo and Israel is the founder of Voxeo Jonathan Taylor. Which has nothing to do with Israel because the Israeli company bought out IRDG AFTER Jonathan Taylor's involvement with it ended. (only till 1997)

    So if you sold your car 10 years ago to Bob and Bob sold the car to some pedophile does that make you a pedophile too for owning the car 10 years ago ? This is the dis-jointed logic that I'm talking about.
  8. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    OK, I did misread the article the first time through and understood it that it was that he had started 1 company that had gone through different owner (describing the company history and how it came to be owned by Israil rather than faulting its founder) and that it was the same company but it appears to not be the case.

    That said its still not acceptable that they are being counted by a private company out of sight, they should be counted in a transparent manner by the people and in front of the people.
  9. hartage

    hartage Monkey+++

    Yes with that I agree. Use electronic means to get a faster more cohesive tally. But always have a paper trail for transparancy and validation.
  10. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Another example of "out-sourcing" and "privatising" - the banes of American life these days.
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