IMHO this is a pretty good article on the future... and some possible ways to deal with... socialist/communist leftist... posting just a portion as it's rather long... link at bottom And conservatives are increasingly seeing the writing on the wall. Among the more insightful of these has been Angelo Codevilla. In 2017, Codevilla, writing in the Claremont Review of Books, laid out a blueprint for local opposition to federal power and noted: Texas passed a law that, in effect, closes down most of its abortion clinics. The U.S. Supreme Court struck it down. What if Texas closed them nonetheless? Send the Army to point guns at Texas rangers to open them? What would the federal government do if North Dakota declared itself a “Sanctuary for the Unborn” and simply banned abortion? For that matter, what is the federal government doing about the fact that, for practical purposes, its laws concerning marijuana are being ignored in Colorado and California? Utah objects to the boundaries of national monuments created by decree within its borders. What if the state ignored those boundaries? Prayer in schools? What could bureaucrats in Washington, D.C., do if any number of states decided that what the federal courts have to say about such things is bad? Now that identity politics have replaced the politics of persuasion and blended into the art of war, statesmen should try to preserve what peace remains through mutual forbearance toward jurisdictions that ignore or act contrary to federal laws, regulations, or court orders. Blue states and red states deal differently with some matters of health, education, welfare, and police. It does no good to insist that all do all things uniformly. And by 2019, the need for separation was becoming more urgent. Last week Codevilla continued in this line of thinking: [A]fter the 2020 elections ordinary Americans will have to deal with the same dreadful question we faced in 2016: How do we secure and perhaps restore our fast-diminishing freedom to live as Americans? And while we may wish for help from Trump, we have to look to ourselves and to other leaders for how we may counter the ruling class’s manifold assaults now, and especially in the long term... The logical recourse is to conserve what can be conserved, and for it to be done by, of, and for those who wish to conserve it. However much force of what kind may be required to accomplish that, the objective has to be conservation of the people and ways that wish to be conserved. That means some kind of separation. ... [T]he natural, least stressful course of events is for all sides to tolerate the others going their own ways. The ruling class has not been shy about using the powers of the state and local governments it controls to do things at variance with national policy, effectively nullifying national laws. And they get away with it. For example, the Trump Administration has not sent federal troops to enforce national marijuana laws in Colorado and California, nor has it punished persons and governments who have defied national laws on immigration. There is no reason why the conservative states, counties, and localities should not enforce their own view of the good. Not even President Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would order troops to shoot to re-open abortion clinics were Missouri or North Dakota, or any city, to shut them down. As Francis Buckley argues in American Secession: The Looming Breakup of the United States, some kind of separation is inevitable, and the options regarding it are many. It is notable that Codevilla's strategy is not marked by grandiose gestures of independence or a yearning to re-create the alleged glorious military victories of the days of yore. Such were the mistakes of the Confederates in the mid-nineteenth century. Interestingly, Codevilla's more sensible approach shares quite a bit in common with the strategies recommended by Hans-Hermann Hoppe in his essay "What Must Be Done." The idea is to assert local control and refuse cooperation with federal policymakers. But with restraint. Hoppe writes: It would appear to be prudent ... to avoid a direct confrontation with the central government and not openly denounce its authority or even abjure the realm. Rather, it seems advisable to engage in a policy of passive resistance and non-cooperation. One simply stops to help in the enforcement in each and every federal law. One assumes the following attitude: “Such are your rules, and you enforce them. I cannot hinder you, but I will not help you either, as my only obligation is to my local constituents.” https://mises.org/wire/how-avoid-civil-war-decentralization-nullification-secession
The best way to avoid a Civil War involves career politicians, several members of the MSM, a chipper shredder and a big pit.
Some of this has actually happened - if you know about it. Back when Little Jimmy Carter imposed a 55MPH limit - well that didn't sell in Nevada. For the longest of times, in rural NV the speed limit was "reasonable and prudent" . I routinely drove at over 90MPH between LAs Vegas and Alamo and Alamo and Clientele NV. So, the Feds got nasty. So, Nv would issue "energy waster' tickets. $43 fine, no points. If you picked up #3 - then they would covert to speeding ticket + points. I know because it got one. And yes, I slowed down because I was driving USAF trucks at the time....didn't that personal hassle from the boss. Feds got pissed - NV wasn't kowtowing to their 'power' - the DoT threatened to withhold Fed gas taxes if the State didn't play ball. Governor's answer? Pound sand FEds - we'll collect the $0.17/gal tax locally and keep it in State and spend it on what WE want to.... That was the last anyone heard from the DoT. Finally the asshats in FedGov dropped price controls and gasoline flowed like a river - you just paid more for a gallon.... 55MPH went away. Utah had an issue with birth contol pills going to women under 21. State of Utah lost @ USSC. State atty general said - so what? If you own a dispensary and break the law, a Utah State trooper will come and take you away - Feds will not lift a finger to help you... Open defiance. You yeah - can and has happened - Sagebrush rebellion and the list goes on. Difference today (defiance of the 'Law) is so widespread and common. I blame Obama for much of it. Buy your ammo cheap and stack it deep....
Also What Are the Real Fault Lines Dividing Americans? - Law & Liberty Money quote What Is the Discord Really About? Although the fury many American feel about politics is real, and perhaps more palpable than any time since before the Civil War, is it really rooted in policy disputes on a par with the question of slavery? This is obviously a subjective question, but the matters that generate so much heat in American politics—rules about bathroom usage for the transgendered, for example—seem, to me at least, comparatively trivial. As noted in this volume, long before polarization was the primary complaint about American politics, E.E. Schattschneider and other political scientists lamented the lack of clear dividing lines in American politics. What we call polarized parties, Schattschneider called “responsible parties.” The Parchment Barriers essayists suggest that Schattschneider’s goal has been attained, perhaps too well. I remain unconvinced. Do millions of American partisans genuinely despise the people in the opposing political camp? Unquestionably. Are Republicans and Democrats ideologically distant political forces, demanding radically different policy visions? I think the answer to that question is less obvious (bold added)
How 1968 Defined The Political Fault Lines That Divide America Today How 1968 Defined The Political Fault Lines That Divide America Today The days of Future passed...
loving the definition of "Civil War" these days - Ferguson and Baltimore rioting wasn't a civil war - the dumbazz ANTIFA a-holes beating up senior citizens and ganging up on a reporter isn't war - threatening gun control is just that a threat in name only If there's a "Civil War" I guess most of you will be greatly disappointed - there won't be anyone to shoot - you think the House a-holes are showing up - the Bloombergs of the world - governors of CA-OR-VA-NY- ANTIFA or BLM - gays & transgenders these guvorors and states can attempt kicking down doors and confiscating - I wish them luck actually getting together much of a force >>> the dumbazz cops willing to line up for the duty would quikly change their minds - it would get PERSONAL real quik - you threaten my family and we threaten yours ....
We got no feral hogs here. No wild bacon nor even wild hams. We do have bears! Black and grizzly. We have wolves and coyotes. None of these have ever turned up their noses to a found lunch, however I do question whether they would be able to stomach today's socialist. Imagine a quiet walk in the hills interrupted by the sounds of a retching bear after eating the remains of one of those leftist sh*ts!
I keep saying it, there are only a hand full ( Less then 1000) of of truly powerful who are mucking this all up, take them out of the equation and you can pretty much solve any problem this country has! Easy right, Not quite, simply because we have no stomach for what needs doing! Arresting and trying for Treason would be a start, Term limits for any political position and pay limits as well, State Electoral Collages, and a return to Constitutional LAW! No more of this Make shit up as we go and see how it turns out crap, No more of the States ignoring fed constitutional law, and/or ignoring State Constitutional law! Hold Politicians accountable, hold City and State employees accountable, and lets get this train back on the right track! There can nor will be any sucession, each state is bound to the fed, tied at the hip, and with out fed money, the states would dry up quick!
The feds get the money from the states (from us deplorables and others) and then return it after wetting its beak. Some states would dry up because they don't send any money upstream for redistribution.
1.The Feds have no business regulating weed to begin with...Its all about the money. 2.The first Civil War was due to Northern Aggression and taxation. 2. The 2 nd Civil War will be due to Liberal Aggression on all states
"...Send the Army to point guns at Texas rangers to open them?" I am not sure they can do this, at least, legally, not without the State's consent...but I honestly don't know anymore.
That's funny!!! No-one who wants to live points a gun at a Texas Ranger and lives to tell about it....
"... to avoid a direct confrontation with the central government and not openly denounce its authority or even abjure the realm. Rather, it seems advisable to engage in a policy of passive resistance and non-cooperation. One simply stops to help in the enforcement in each and every federal law. One assumes the following attitude: “Such are your rules, and you enforce them. I cannot hinder you, but I will not help you either, as my only obligation is to my local constituents.” I have been thinking about this all day and come to the conclusion that 'Codevilla' is a deep thinker, one for thinking out of the box. I think everyone has wondered at one time or another "Why in the hell hasn't the Feds shut down those Sanctuary Cities" and the truth of the matter is - how? So, this 'passive resistance' is a proven method that does work - to a point. But, I think it would only work for wealthy states that can afford to ignore the Federals - like California. Whether we like California or not and whether they are going broke or not, they are one of the wealthiest states in the Union, if not the wealthiest. I remember hearing that they were the 7th wealthiest 'country' in the world (not sure now and too lazy to look it up) and this is what gives them the muscle to cause so much havoc within our country...because they can. So, while I like the idea and it certainly has merit, I am not sure it would work for all states. They Feds have a way to turn the financial screws on states and other more devious ways to get want they want. Just some thoughts on this cold, rainy day...
one thing that comes to mind... the left can NOT allow any state to leave... it would weaken their power base so to speak... so I do not see this happening... they would always seek a way to force compliance... the terrible thing about both socialism and communism is EVERYONE must comply... because in their mind it will not work unless all are made to comply... human nature always defeats both forms of GOV... IMHO... workers see they can not get more for extra work... so why do more... why not do less... everyone gets the same??? where is the reason to do more? will they then start threatening those that do less to make em do more... is that how we want to live... always under threat if we do not comply?
