Discussion in 'Politics' started by rjburk, Jan 30, 2017.

  1. rjburk

    rjburk Monkey

    Immigration....the big scandal.....I would rather go to war to secure our borders than to go to war within our borders because we allow in a bunch of terrorists and those who support it......
  2. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    That doesn't account for domestic, home grown 100% US citizen terrorists. They are already within the border....born and bred.
  3. rjburk

    rjburk Monkey

    Here is why that statement is way off.....IF, Big IF......IF the U.S. had so many home grown citizen terrorists ? Why have they not went on muslim radical left terror spree ? how many times on the news do you see....White Gun Crazy Radicals kill 50 muslims at Mosque during prayer.....White gun crazy radicals attack BLM protest and kill hundreds.....White gun crazy radicals burn 10 planned parenthood offices.....
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  4. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    I think he is speaking of born and raised radicalized muzzies... :rolleyes:
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  5. rjburk

    rjburk Monkey

    I was speaking of ( Immigration ) and allowing so called muslim immigrants or refugees or whatever term the left uses into the U.S....every country has home grown radicals that time to time act out.....your not an immigrant if born here a citizen....
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  6. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    I thought you were responding to the comment on home grown terrorists... sorry.

  7. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Every country will have some 'home grown' terrorists; there always has been and there always will be. Long before the radical Muslim upheaval, Germany had the Baader-Meinhof (Red Army Faction), Ireland had the IRA (of course), Italy has the Red Brigade...on and on. In America, we have always had those factions/terrorists for example Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber).

    I personally think closing the borders and locking down immigration is a logical approach to getting a handle on our safety. The fact that it is targeted at Muslim countries does not phase me one bit in my opinion. Nor, the fact, that my wife is here on a Green Card (legal resident) from a Muslim country and my niece, who still resides there (in Central Asia) most likely will not be allowed to visit this summer due to the freeze on visas. I am okay with this as it increases the safety of our country and its citizens. It's a logical approach, pure common sense, it's sad we have to do this but it's a necessity and it should have been done much, much earlier. So, I have a bit of skin in this game but that's my opinion for what it's worth.
  8. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    As long as the ban does not go past the 3/4 months that he signed into affect, then I have not problem. During that time (the ban) I expect officials to establish a thorough vetting process. I am sick of the line, "officials overlooked". Anything past this-
    Trump's executive order bars citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States for the next 90 days and suspends the admission of all refugees for 120 days.

    Then we have a huge problem in this country.
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  9. rjburk

    rjburk Monkey

    Obama broke every immigration Law that suited his agenda and laughed.....Ban all immigration until the middle east cleans itself up and earns the necessary respect......Stay in your country and fix it.....either by rifle or ballot.....otherwise I don't want to support you......
  10. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    The Obama Administration shut down Iraqi immigration to the U.S. during a heightened period of threats of terrorism for 6 months. This 90 day interval is not that big of a deal and entirely within the Constitutional powers of the United States Government.
  11. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    The SnowFlake Brigades have been so Active at the Ports of Entry, it is just to bad that they have such SHORT Memories....
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  12. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

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  13. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I agree completely. Getting a handle on an out of control situation often requires stopping ALL activity. I would not have minded had ALL incoming people of whatever country on the planet been turned away to give customs and border patrol room to breath until the policy glitches were ironed out. Our borders are a sieve and have been for entirely too long. Recognizing the irrationality of stopping all cross border traffic, I'd settle for ONLY green cards and legitimate visa holders in. Refugees no more ever without thoro investigations, and preferably only demonstrable complete families, no more of these unattached, un-vetted men of questionable genesis. Harsh? Maybe, but I want the citizens and legitimately here folks protected.
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  14. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    And yet 41 other Muslim-majority countries are not impacted. Egypt, Jordan, Georgia (No, from the old Soviet), all the Afagapacrapstans... Where's the beef?
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  15. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    As far as I am concerned He should have added Mexico, and a few Central American Countries... and deployed the 82nd Airborne Division, to the southern Boarder, with RoI to Shoot High for the First Shot, and CenterMass on the Second....
  16. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    Here is the headline being blasted across the news. The news sites give their report on Starbuck's declaration of
    Starbucks CEO Schultz plans to hire 10,000 refugees after Trump ban
    Starbucks CEO Schultz plans to hire 10,000 refugees after Trump ban


    There are more than 65 million citizens of the world recognized as refugees by the United Nations, and we are developing plans to hire 10,000 of them over five years in the 75 countries around the world where Starbucks does business. And we will start this effort here in the U.S. by making the initial focus of our hiring efforts on those individuals who have served with U.S. troops as interpreters and support personnel in the various countries where our military has asked for such support. A Message from Howard Schultz: Living Our Values

    Starbucks does not like the immigration ban. They are catching headlines saying they are going on a hiring spree but notice they are not hiring refugees here in the USA, they are hiring people that probably speak English. Good way to get in the news as opposing the ban but how many will actually take time to read what the guy wrote?
  17. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    :lol: That's OK by me, I don't like Starbucks.
  18. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Times have changed. We may have been a nation which welcomed immigrants and have been greatly strengthened by the "melting pot" experiment, but no longer. We have military operations in dozens of countries worldwide and the Middle East is a proving ground for terror (funded, trained, and armed by shadow government) and with each action of the military, more terrorists are made. Here we are importing "refugees" from those regions. Our own border with Mexico is a Greek tragedy. Make no mistake, we are being invaded, slowly, but surely.

    The Liberals and even the Libertarians will try to play to your better nature and claim they hold the moral high ground. But, we cannot forget this is war.

    We are at war with radical Islam.
    We are at war with political correctness.
    We are at war with every politician, with government.
    We are at war with different "races" of people within our own country.
    We are at war with the media.
    We are at war...with each other.

    Divided, we fall.
  19. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    The Camp of the Saints (Le Camp des Saints) is a 1973 French novel by Jean Raspail.

    The fiction novel depicts a setting wherein Third World mass immigration to France and the West leads to the destruction of Western civilization. So, in 1973 (44 years ago) this was fiction, and not very believe fiction at that. Well, that was then, and this now....

    Almost forty years after publication the book returned to the bestseller list in 2011. Why? Because that "fiction" is coming to life. The mass immigration in the story is from India, not the ME.

    The story alternates between the French reaction to the mass immigration and the attitude of the immigrants. They have no desire to assimilate into French culture but want the goods that are in short supply in their native India. Although the novel focuses on France, the rest of the West shares its fate.

    Here in the US, 700,000 new illegals enter each year. How many Divisions is that? Invasion, indeed.
  20. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    The idiot in Canada said all the Syrian terrorists, I mean refugees that were going to go to the United States are welcome to come to canada.
    Only problem with that is I think most if not all the 9/11 terrorists went to Canada because the US immigration department, get this: Wouldn't let them into the country because they might be terrorists. Holy shit the government actually succeeded in protecting American citizens for once and was side stepped by canada.
    Because the nice thing about Canada is we don't need a wall or a mine field to keep them up there. They actually think that they have it better up there so they just don't come here. Well if you look at the map of where population centers of Canada are they are only near nothing in the US or are near some of our liberal controlled murdering rapetopia cities that I wouldn't even go near.
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