Is Civil War Possible?

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Minuteman, Aug 1, 2022.


  1. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I always referred to AmRev 2 but lately many people are talking about the possibility of a civil war 2. I suppose the latter is more apropos in the circumstances. But call it what you will, I feel like we are closer than we have ever been. Thomas Jefferson said that "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" .
    This is a very good article. Well thought out and reasoned. It is especially interesting in light of the author. An academy award nominated screenwriter. His ability to envision what the scenario would entail is enlightening.

    Would the Indictment of Donald Trump Lead to Civil War?
     
    enloopious and GOG like this.
  2. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I also like his conclusion that a peaceful seccession might be the only alternative. I have always believed that. One of my all time favorite post apocalyptic survival fiction series is William Johnstone's "Out Of The Ashes".
    I believe it could possibly foreshadow the Fate of the United States, to break up into countries within a country. In the series you have New Africa in a large swarth of the deep South. Heartland in the Midwest, eventually SUSA, the Southern United States of America, and the most idyllic system of governance ever conceived in The Tri States. Comprised of Idaho, Montana and the Eastern part of Oregon. Eventually part of Wyoming was added to it. The Tri States Manifesto is as well imagined document for governance as our own Constitution.

    https://www.oocities.org/tristatescoalition/tsc-manifesto.html
     
    Tully Mars and GOG like this.
  3. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    This is the preamble to the Tri States Manifesto (after mentioning it I had to go back and reread it)

    AS ADVOCATES AND SUPPORTERS OF THE TRI-STATE PHILOSOPHY, WE BELIEVE:

    THAT FREEDOM, LIKE RESPECT, IS EARNED AND MUST BE CONSTANTLY NURTURED AND PROTECTED FROM THOSE WHO WOULD TAKE IT AWAY.

    IT IS THE RIGHT OF EVERY LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN TO PROTECT HIS OR HER LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PERSONAL PROPERTY BY ANY MEANS AT HAND WITHOUT FEAR OF ARREST, CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, OR LAWSUIT. THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS CENTRAL TO MAINTAINING TRUE PERSONAL FREEDOM.

    THAT LIBERAL POLITICIANS, THEORISTS, AND SOCIALISTS ARE THE GREATEST THREAT TO FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS AND THAT THEIR MISGUIDED EFFORTS HAVE CAUSED GRAVE INJUSTICES IN THE FIELDS OF CRIMINAL LAW, EDUCATION, AND PUBLIC WELFARE:
     
  4. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    So freedom is NOT a right under that manifesto...in the first sentence of the preamble. I guess they figure if you're that stupid, then whoever subscribes to that belief deserves it.

    F that, right off the bat.
     
  5. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Freedom is a right but it certainly has to be fought for, earned and protected. A lesson we seem to have forgotten.
    We have seen our "inalienable rights" restricted, regulated and limited.
    Rights, like respect, must be nurtured and guarded or they will erode and diminish to the point of non-existence.
    Many millions of Patriots throughout history have fought and died to secure the right of freedom. It was never given, it must always be earned, through blood and sacrifice.
     
  6. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    Back in the real world, where I happen to live...

    I keep reading all these posts (and not just here) about a CWII. Not going to happen.

    I'm leaning more to a RAH "Starship Troops" (the book) fall of Empire. One need only took at the UK or Russia to see what is in store - perhaps not for me, but most certainly my grandkids.

    We've had this discussion in the past - Was Robert Hienlien a prophet? | Survival Monkey Forums

    and here - SM Book Club- Starship Trooper- DISCUSSION | Survival Monkey Forums
     
    CraftyMofo likes this.
  7. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    The deep blue states want to become 3rd world counties and are doing everything they can to drag the rest of the nation down with them.
    There will be some type of cessation or we become one big 3rd world shit hole.
     
    OldDude49, fl4848, Tully Mars and 2 others like this.
  8. CraftyMofo

    CraftyMofo Monkey+++

    I wonder if it's possible to have 2 systems inside of a single nation. Pick Blue, you get free healthcare, unemployment benefits without limit, and taxation to pay for it.
    Pick Red, and you provide your own healthcare, unemployment for 2 months, and a taxation system to pay for it. Obviously, this is a simplified view. Red and Blue team leaders have to figure out how to finance infrastructure and the military together.
    Maybe there could be a mechanism for switching.
     
  9. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    If it wasn't for the all or nothing electoral vote system used by 48 states the Democrats would probably never win the WH again.
     
    fl4848 likes this.
  10. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    I have long thought that owing to basically irreconcilable differences in our population groups, the USA really needs to be split into at least four separate countries, with a very loose structure to maintain travel, infrastructure, shipping, production, defense, etc. between the member countries. But each of them handles their own internal affairs.
    But, it'll take a war to make that happen.
     
  11. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    I see Civil War as inevitable!
    With things so divided and the one party in charge of everything, the purges of the military and a litany of other things, we are well past the point of no return!
    Think about this, THEY stole the election and installed a puppet in office, all to block the best chance we had, what else do you think they are capable of? They have been in a tizzy over the two biggie SCOTUS rulings which absolutely needed to happen and were 100% correct in their findings! The lest if so pissed off that they are ramping up even more action against the WE THE PEOPLE! Look at New Yawk and Cali, look at Or and Wa states and the major illegal actions coming or already in place after the SCOTUS ruling's, and did Hawaii get any of it's rights restored, HELL NO! War is inevitable now, there is too much hate, too much false anger toward each other, too much lock down after effects, and were all gonna pay the price! You watch, Nov. Elections will sweep the Blue out of office and the Red Team takes over big time, WHile they are mostly weak, the few powers within that party WILL absolutely act to un do as much as they can and try to bring us back from the edge, but the Lefties will not go quietly into that good night, they will launch their attack upon us, their last desperate grab for power and that will likely set it all off!
    Joe the pedo is now sick with round two of the Koof, I expect this was always the plan, so I expect him to step down, or simply die, and then,...............
    I suspect Kamal toe to step down and take a book deal writing books that nobody reads and making millions doing it,, and we get Kali Gov Neusom installed as Diktator In Chief, along with some other Super Commi Dem. like Gretch, or Kathy, or Jackoff Jay!!!
     
    CaboWabo5150, 3M-TA3 and Tully Mars like this.
  12. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    People are getting angrier everyday 300 or so should be on the watch list post haste

     
    Tully Mars and Ura-Ki like this.
  13. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    We have been in a cold civil war for the last 30-40 years. It just started getting warmer 6 years ago. Moving forward from now on it looks very likely that it will turn much hotter. To many clashing cultures and factions for it to be otherwise.
     
  14. fl4848

    fl4848 Monkey+

    One of the problems with a split of the states is that the blue states would be extraordinarily bitter towards the red states, being that they have the largest amount of psychopaths per capita. They would make the terms of the split favor their side to an enormous degree where the red states would walk away with nothing. They would get the worst land, no military, no wealth, no weapons, no intelligence community, ect. As soon as the split occurred, they would deem us as their mortal enemies and immediately initiate a war and bomb us with drones, robots, nukes, bioweapons, cyber warfare, ect. Being that they stole everything from us as part of the negotiation of terms, we would have to struggle to start a nation while under the onslaught of war. It would be pretty ugly, and the odds would be grossly stacked against our favor.
     
    Gator 45/70 likes this.
  15. oldman1111

    oldman1111 Monkey

    Let it begin,now.
    [flag][flag][flag][flag][flag]
     
    Gator 45/70 likes this.
  16. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Sounds familiar.

     
    Gator 45/70 and Tully Mars like this.
  17. Tempstar

    Tempstar Monkey+++

    I don't really see a civil war, but I can easily see how Jan6 could have turned out if everyone was there for the reasons the libs keep saying. If it were an insurrection and that was the intent of the attendees, they would still be in hiding, or at least the ones that escaped the noose. It made me realize just how few it would take.
     
    Gator 45/70, SB21 and Tully Mars like this.
  18. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    I would like to think Patriots would rise up and take back the country and return it to its founding principles . Unfortunately I don't see it happening 1. not enough of us 2. masses have been brain washed by the liberal agenda. 3. People would rather live in slavery than die as free men.
    Heard a Taiwanese man on the news say if the commies invade he will join them to live ------that pretty much sums up most people.
     
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2022
  19. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    I would say that it is inevitable.
     
    Gator 45/70 likes this.
  20. SB21

    SB21 Monkey+++

    Not me ,,, I'm not real happy living in the crap pile we have now ,,, not looking forward to it if it gets much worse . Don't see much sense in suffering another 10-15 years + if it gets worse .
     
    Gator 45/70 and johnbb like this.
survivalmonkey SSL seal        survivalmonkey.com warrant canary
17282WuJHksJ9798f34razfKbPATqTq9E7