Obama May Sign U.N. Gun Grab Treaty Tomorrow

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by stg58, Jun 2, 2013.

  1. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    barry is bound and determined to screw up everything that made this county great.
    Obama doesn’t know how to be president. He doesn’t know how the world works. He’s incompetent. He’s an amateur!”
    -Bill Clinton

    President Obama is hesitant to sign an international arms trade treaty opposed by the National Rifle Association, according to advocates for the pact.
    Meetings with administration officials have them worried the White House doesn’t want to expend any more political capital on a treaty the NRA insists is a gun grab by the United Nations.
    “I’m pretty confident they’re not going to sign” when the treaty first opens up for signatures on Monday, said Rachel Stohl, a senior associate with the Stimson Center think-tank, which supports the treaty.
    She said she thinks Obama will still eventually sign the treaty, which his administration supports, but that she “wouldn’t be surprised” if he waited to sign “under the cover of darkness in August.”
    “I think there’s a lot of political hand-wringing going on” at the White House, she said. “They know people are going to be paying attention to this particular issue on this particular day.”
    More than half of the Senate is already on record opposing the treaty, largely because of lobbying by the NRA.
    In private conversations with the administration, the advocates have argued that any potential political cost from the NRA’s attacks was already incurred when the United States joined 155 other countries at the UN in voting for the treaty on April 2.
    Now, they say, the president should proudly sign the treaty while the world is watching on Monday. They say getting the United States on board from the get-go would put pressure on major arms dealers like Russia and China to sign on and help the treaty enter into force sooner.
    The administration has remained tight-lipped about its intentions with just hours to go before Monday.
    “We were pleased with the outcome of the April 2 vote by the UN General Assembly to adopt the text of the ATT; we believe that text achieves the objectives we set out for the negotiation, and we were pleased to support the resolution to adopt it,” said Laura Lucas, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council. “We are conducting a thorough review of the treaty text to determine whether to sign the treaty.”
    Advocates say a public signing by the White House is critically important because the chance to shape the treaty’s future by being an early signer is a one-shot deal.
    The treaty “gives the United States a mandate to lead an international discussion around regulation,” said Paul O’Brien, vice-president for policy and campaigns at Oxfam America. “And so the profile that it chooses to take around the signature moment is profoundly important.
    “Who’s going to be there in the signing moment ? That sends a signal. What do they say in the signing moment to the other nations? That sends a signal. And when do they sign it? Do they sign it at a moment when the world is paying attention? Or do they wait until Congress isn’t paying attention and the NRA is probably gone to bed for a couple of weeks?” he said.
    Treaty advocates can count on their broad-based coalition uniting human-rights groups and religious institutions such as the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the National Association of Evangelicals to bring pressure to bear on the White House. And they’ve identified several key political pressure points.
    Stohl said signing the treaty would be a net political win for the White House after the NRA and its allies in the Senate defeated arms control legislation prompted by the Newtown shooting.
  2. limpingbear

    limpingbear future cancer survivor....

    Well....Until the treaty is ratified properly by the senate, It wont mean squat if he signs it.
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  3. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    He is going to sign it as this is part of his plan to strip the American people of their weapons- so he can really show you what that hope and change thing is all about!!
  4. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    Thanks for sharing that info BCAnthony.
  5. So what's the scoop... anyone know if it got signed?

    Supposedly Kerry implied it would, and that public sentiment or congressional opinion isn't going to be a factor in the decision to sign.

    They are not likely to get a Senate super-majority anyway, but it's still a data point of interest to see if he signs it as further evidence to see where he stands.
  6. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Didn't the senate already speak to this?

    Didn't they telegraph this pre-emptively? Hmmm.

    obviously monkey boy isn't listening.
    Sure, bobo can sign it but it's not binding.
    Unless the senate ratifies it with 2/3rds

    But here is the scary part .. treaty ratification requires .. 2/3rds of those present .. couple/three dems in senate chambers in the middle of the night .. and shazam. Now that would be the only way these effers could do it. Gives new meaning to O dark thirty. I wonder who's going to be in chambers when he attempts to sign it.

    I guess i'm just getting more and more cynical. Because I think he'll sign it and those present in the senate will ratify it. Hope I'm completely wrong but with this president and our 'elected' offals, I just assume we are going to get screwed w/o lube.

  7. Oddly enough I was going to say the exact same thing yesterday, pointing out the emphasis on "present" in the Treaty Clause but didn't want to come off as too conspiratorial. :)

    I'm not well versed on all the Senatorial procedures there are, though, and whether it would allow that kind of sleazy trick.
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  8. Timba

    Timba Monkey+ Site Supporter+

    The rule of law is gone and when people like the already known traitor, Kerry can even be elected to begin with, let alone be appointed Secretary of State, it says volumes about how much trouble we are really in. And sad part is most youngsters and people under even 40 won't even understand what is going on because they've been taught by the govt schools and/or liberal parents.
  9. limpingbear

    limpingbear future cancer survivor....

    From what I have read of the treaty is that it has in it provisions that the treaty cannot over rule the constitution of the signing countries. So even if Obummer were to sign, or congress signs it would still not trump our constitution. Now the grain of salt is that what iI read was months ago.....so it may have changed. YMMV
  10. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Brother, that wouldn't have been conspiratorial, it just means you've been paying attention ;)
  11. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    You may have noticed but, the constitution doesn't seem to stop anyone these days, ok, maybe the ones that believe and love the constitution. Alas, they are few and far between.
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  12. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    This from a bud today about the senate vote--notice the (Ds) at the end of their names.


    Over the weekend, we came four votes away from the United States Senate giving our Constitutional rights over to the United Nations. In a 53-46 vote, the senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.
    The Statement of Purpose from the bill read:
    To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.
    The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S., and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry on all private guns and ammo.
    Astonishingly, 46 of our United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power.
    Here are the 46 senators that voted to give your rights to the U.N.

    Baldwin (D-WI)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Bennet (D-CO)
    Blumenthal (D-CT)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Cardin (D-MD)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Coons (D-DE)
    Cowan (D-MA)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Franken (D-MN)
    Gillibrand (D-NY)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Hirono (D-HI)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Kaine (D-VA)
    King (I-ME)
    Klobuchar (D-MN)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murphy (D-CT)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Schatz (D-HI)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Shaheen (D-NH)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Udall (D-CO)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Warner (D-VA)
    Warren (D-MA)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wyden (D-OR)

    Hello All, here is the list of all the TRAITORS in the U. S. Senate-Thank God there was none listed for OK, AR, TX

    People this needs to go viral. These Senators voted to let the UN take our guns. They need to lose the election. We have been betrayed.

    46 Senators Voted to Give your 2nd Amendment Constitutional Rights to the U.N.
  13. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Our two WA senators on that list (Murray and Cantwell) benefit from not getting thrown out due to the West side blue contingent in three counties outweighing the rest of the state's vote. But we will keep fighting and working to unseat them regardless!!
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