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Recent airline bombing attempt.....

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Seawolf1090, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Today's news says the perp has "Severe burns in the groin area".... GOOD! Serves the idiot right.

    Question is, why was this guy NOT on the "No FLy" list!? He's been on a terrorist watch list for two years!
  2. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    I'll bet his Virgins aren't going to like those scars.
  3. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Beats the mcdonalds coffee excuse..
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    FOX is reporting another unruly passsenger on an Amsterdam to U.s. (1330 Sunday cst) flight.WTF? some thing brewing???
  5. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Hmmm....Lets' see here,
    Less than 2,500 terrorists on the so-called "watch list" or "no-fly list", and some 24,000 AMERICANS on that same list....
    Something is WRONG there!
    No one can get OFF that list once you are on it, regardless if your are 8 months old, or a 5 year old, a congress-person or senator?
    Ok, I can see the politicians being on the "list" as well as attorney's, etc., etc.
    But, why all the U.S. American citizens?
    Maybe ( just maybe), it's so "WE" don't look like, we are "profiling"?
    I go with the old standby: "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck....It must be a duck"!
    ABCDM itty bitty feets?
  6. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    no fly is just so they have a nice (legal?) way of keeping a list of "potential troublemakers..."

    new Intn'l flight security measures

  7. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    News media gets their information, where?
    Dept. of de fadderland insecurity?
    I mean really PETN is like Nitroglycerin!

    Nitroglycerin is a viscous heavy liquid, made by saturating (COLD) glycerin wih (cooled) sulfuric acid, then a water wash, filtration, then the very s- l- o- w addition, (1 drop at a time), of nitric acid into the vat which is kept superchilled and when the solution gives off fumes, it is done.

    PETN is NOT a liquid, but in fact a crystalline solid, and the process is just as complicated as making nitro....
    Nitro is really, really, ( seriously!), sensitive.
    PETN is prone to becoming upset with friction, ask anyone that has had to cut det cord!
    PETN is used as a booster in blasting caps, with RDX being the final charge.
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    </TD></TR><TR><TD background=../images/bg.light.gif>2,2Bis[(Nitrooxy)-methyl]-1,3propanediol dinitrate (ester), Pentaerytritol Tetranitrate, 2,2-bisdihydroxymethyl-1,3-propanediol tetranitrate, nitropentaerytritol, penthrit, niperyt, Lentrat, Hasethrol, Perityl, Terpate, Subicard, Pentryate, Pentitrate, C<SUB>5</SUB>H<SUB>8</SUB>N<SUB>4</SUB>O<SUB>12 </SUB>or simply PETN(1), this compound finds both medicinal use as a coronary Vasodilator (often mixed with lactose to reduce sensitivity) and extensive use in the explosive industry, as a very high power booster in blasting caps and also as the filler in detonating fuse (DetCord, Primacord)*.

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    </TD></TR><TR><TD height=24 background=../images/bg.mid.gif>Reagents And Materials:

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    </TD></TR><TR><TD background=../images/bg.mid.gif>Synthesis:

    </TD></TR><TR><TD height=59 background=../images/bg.light.gif width=900>The ratios used for this synthesis are as follows:
    34 ml of 65% HNO3

    24,8 ml of 96% H2SO4
    10,0 g of Pentaerythritol
    All the chemicals used in this synthesis can be seen below:
    From left to right: 65% Analytical Grade Nitric Acid, 98% Analytical Grade Sulphuric Acid, 99,5% Analytical Grade Acetone and 99.8% Extra Pure Pentaerythritol. The petri dish contains 10 grams of pentaerythritol.
    1. A cold-water bath was prepared and used to chill A 200ml wide necked flask containing nitric acid. 24,8 ml of sulfuric acid were pipetted into the flask and the mixture was allowed to further cool by adding ice and salt to the cold water bath.
    2. A second ice bath is prepared to be used for emergency cooling of the mixture should its temperature become too high.

    3. With the mixed acids at or below -25�C, 10 g of pentaerythritol are added, 2 grams at a time. It is important to constantly stir the acid mixture during the addition as localized heating will occur during nitration. The mixture can be seen to thicken as nitration occurs and the temperature rises. At 5�C it became a thick slurry. A low starting temperature is key in this synthesis and should the temperature rise above 0C at any time, re-chilling will be necessary prior to further addition of the pentaerythritol. Should runaway nitration occur (evidenced by the evolution of brown N2O4 / NO2 gas) the mixture should be immediately poured into cool water.
    After 10 minutes of mixing, the mixture is a white thick syrup:
    4. Mixing is continued for 10 minutes after the last of the pentaerythritol is added. The mixture is then put in a hot water bath and heated to 45�C for 25 minutes. This will considerably increase yield by nitrating most sulfoesters into PETN. It is important to keep the temperature at or below 45C, maintain stirring and watch for any signs of runaway nitration. (This step is not needed, but will result in a much better yield).
    5. The mixture is then diluted with 450 ml of ice cold water and excess water is decanted after the crystals settle so as to ease the filtering of the product. Care must be taken to slowly and evenly add the mixture to water, as the excess H2SO4 in the mixture will cause a temperature rise that can lead to decomposition of the final product.
    6. The PETN is filtered and washed with cool water and then neutralized with hot sodium bicarbonate solution.
    7. 200ml of acetone are heated to 50�C. And the PETN is stirred into it until all of it has dissolved (solubility: 58gr/100ml acetone at 50C). Excess acetone is needed, due to excess water in the PETN. Drying the PETN prior to this step will minimise the amount of acetone needed.
    8. The PETN / acetone mix is then filtered and poured into a beaker containing 600mL of ice cold water, causing the PETN to precipitate to the bottom as fine crystals.
    9. After settling, excess water and acetone are decanted and the remaining PETN can be filtered out
    After filtering, the PETN was put on a small petri plate and dried.

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    More sensitive to shock than TNT, practically insoluble in water, soluble in Acetone + Alcohol, melting point 140C.(1)

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    </TD></TR><TR><TD background=../images/bg.mid.gif>Sources:

    </TD></TR><TR><TD height=59 background=../images/bg.light.gif width=900>1-Merck Index 12th Edition (Entry #7149). T. Urbanski (vol. IV.):
    The maximal amount of water in the mix cannot exceed 30% due to nitric acid's properties as a strong oxidizing agent between the 50-70% concentration range.
    With added H2SO4, there must still be some water in the mix, or oxidation will occur. At the start of this procedure, the water content is 20%, at the end it rises to 30%. Increasing the amount of pentaerythritol will increase the water content at the end of the reaction, thus probably lowering the yields because of the oxidation of the end

    </FORM>I seriously doubt this idiot was trying to make this stuff in his lap!
    He needs a small lab!
    It would burn, what with the acetone/alcohol chemicals...
    Even cause severe chemical burns with the Nitric and Sulfuric acids....
    But, what about the ice?
    Had a water bath in his lap?
    In all my years of dealing with numerous types of explosives, I have yet to see anyone using a syringe!
    A pipette, yes, and I suppose you could substitute one for the other, but in this case, something here is very, very, WRONG!

    "IF", and that's IFFY, you had something such as glycerin, (liquid), in a syringe and were to inject it into say a small vial or bottle of potassium permanganate, you'll get a realtively nice "exothermic" reaction!
    IF it didn't explode and burn, it would burn very hot and be darned hard to extinguish!
    You'd get the same reaction with kitchen match heads and sulfuric acid!
    The comparison of making Nitro to PETN is ludicrous....
    I can see a 2 chemical liquid explosive, but that's NOT what they are saying.....is it?
    I smell a rat!
    Something is NOT being told!

    "PETN is the primary ingredient in detonating cords used for industrial explosions and can be collected by scraping the insides of the wire, said James Crippin, a Colorado explosives expert. It's also used in military devices and found in blasting caps. It's the high explosive of choice because it is stable and safe to handle, but it requires a primary explosive to detonate it, he said."

    I wonder what wire is being referred to here?

    Perhaps the answer to it all is found here:
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  8. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    runaway nitration occur (evidenced by the evolution of brown N2O4 / NO2 gas) the mixture should be immediately poured into cool water.

    I'm no chemist but that sounds really bad...
    I'm sure there are many 2-part explosive combinations...Only the gubmint knows what he was playing with...The important part is "they" protected the passengers...If this is the "security" my civil liberties are buying I want a refund!
  9. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    "Change" you can believe in....!
    That's about all we get!
    Just change....zinc slugs, flash coated with copper...
    Sounds like 7.62 x 39 ammo!
  10. silversurfer

    silversurfer Monkey++

    Amen brother..
  11. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    all I know, is when the SHTF, I want dragonfly on my Capture The Flag team :)
  12. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    What's really chafing my undies is the way that elitist tool Napolitano says the Goobermint's system "Worked".... right.....

    Two things prevented another airliner tragedy....

    1) a rock stupid Muslim thug who bungled the op


    2) A brave American man who tackled the perp and kept him from trying again!

    The goobermint's SYSTEM was a major league FAIL....... :rolleyes:
  13. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Yea, but don't his suit fit nice?[beer] (

    1. A programmer, newly promoted to management, went out to buy his first suit. At the men's clothing store, the salesman brought out a suit that obviously did not fit at all.
      “No problem!” said the salesman. “Just pull up this pant leg a little, tuck this arm under, and hunch forward just a bit. It's perfect! You look great! Trust me!”
      Delighted, the programmer bought the suit and wore it out of the store. As he walked down the street, two women coming toward him noticed his condition and began to whisper to each other.
      “Look at that poor, crippled man!” said the first.
      “Oh my yes, but doesn't his suit fit nicely?”*
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