Taxes .. you gonna pay more

Discussion in 'Financial Cents' started by VisuTrac, Sep 12, 2024.


  1. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    tax bracket rate changes
    income trump harris (rollback)
    <11.6k 10% 10%
    <47.1k 12 15
    <100.5k 22 25
    <191.9k 24 28
    <243.7k 32 33
    <609.3k 35 35
    >609.3k 37% 39.6%

    Let's figure out what the total tax in the brackets are
    bracket $inbracket Trumprate Tbrackettax Harrisrate Hbrakettax
    0
    11600 11600 0.1 1160 0.1 1160
    47100 35500 0.12 4260 0.15 5325
    100500 53400 0.22 11748 0.25 13350
    191900 91400 0.24 21936 0.28 25592
    243700 51800 0.32 16576 0.33 17094

    I only went up to around 200k, maybe married couples that both work earn up here. And those making more probably have accountants and tax advisors figuring out where to hide their money from the tax man. Us regular folks just wind up at the mercy of the tax code.

    Standard deduction from 2023
    $27,700 – Married Filing Jointly or Qualifying Surviving Spouse
    $13,850 – Single or Married Filing Separately

    And remember if you are trading stocks on Etrade, robinhood or others and you don't hold them
    for at least a year .. well, that is income and not treated as capital gains
    so add those profits to your gross.

    Let's do some math!
    Single, renter no deductions other than standard (medical bills and state taxes don't exceed threshold. No kids.

    Woot! if you make 13850 or less .. No tax for you! Refund time

    Otherwise Tax Totals
    Income deduction AGI Trump Harris
    24000 13850 10150 1015 1015
    30000 13850 16150 1706 1842.5
    40000 13850 26150 2906 3342.5
    50000 13850 36150 4106 4842.5
    60000 13850 46150 5306 6342.5
    75000 13850 61150 8511 9997.5
    90000 13850 76150 11811 13747.5
    120000 13850 106150 18524 21417
    150000 13850 136150 25724 29817
    180000 13850 166150 32924 38217
    210000 13850 196150 40464 46829.5



    Well, how about if you are married, again, you don't have deductions greater than the married
    filing jointly standard deduction you get a bigger tax deduction but oh man we know
    that two people can spend money and the extra 13k still isn't going as far as you wish.
    Here are your numbers.

    if you make 27700 or less .. No tax for you! Refund time

    Tax Totals
    Income deduction AGI Trump Harris
    30000 27700 2300 230 230
    40000 27700 12300 1244 1265
    50000 27700 22300 2444 2765
    60000 27700 32300 3644 4265
    75000 27700 47300 5464 6535
    90000 27700 62300 8764 10285
    120000 27700 92300 15364 17785
    150000 27700 122300 22400 25939
    180000 27700 152300 29600 34339
    210000 27700 182300 36800 42739
     
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  2. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Oh, and the above is just federal. Your state could make it even worse.
    I'm looking at you kommifornication!
     
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  3. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    The federal government thieves have now run the national debt up to the point the interest on that debt hit an all time high ---1 trillion dollars --How long can we continue to do this without the house of cards falling
     
  4. CraftyMofo

    CraftyMofo Monkey+++

    How do those numbers change from today?
     
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  5. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Column 4 is the current tax rate which is trumps tax cut. Column 5 is the roll back back to obama/biden rates which harris supports.

    so column 4 is today. column 5 is harris. And I'm assuming that if trump gets in office he'll get the sunset extended. but he could change.
     
  6. CraftyMofo

    CraftyMofo Monkey+++

    Political ads here are saying he’s going to add a sales tax. Is that something is he is proposing? I’m in favor if it eliminates the income tax.

    (I am making every attempt to avoid news, but can’t help but see adverts everywhere)
     
  7. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    The media is spinning his Tariff plan as a 'sales tax'
    When you add a tariff on an imported good it actually is the consumer who pays for the tariff through a higher price for that good.
    This can be avoided by the consumer by not buying that product.
    Tariffs are double edge swords. It it suppose to keep the export nation from dumping and undercutting domestic manufacturers but it usually involves the domestics to also raise their prices to match the cost of the imported goods .. and that's usually not good for the consumer.

    But the 'sales tax' is media spin to make it seem evil .. even though all administrations do it. I actually think that the biden/harris admin just raised the tariff on Canadian softwood imports in the past few weeks. And that eventually will lead to higher lumber prices in some regions.
     
  8. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Tariffs are indeed double edge swords, but they also can be used to grow a nation's own manufacturing in specific areas, especially when used with tax incentives. While some domestic manufacturers indeed will raise their prices to match the higher price of the import for the short-term gain others will drop or keep current prices in order to gain more market share which is much more lucrative in the long-term. Plus, it puts extreme pressure on the nation where the imports originate to open their markets to other nations, so trade isn't a one-way street...like China.

    Yep! A higher tariff on Canadian wood will indeed lead to higher lumber prices. I am not sure how Canadian can undercut the American wood industry in pricing, doesn't make sense when you think about it, but I would bet it has something to do with government incentives/taxing/assistance.

    Normally, I am against tariffs, but let's face it, America has been taken advantage of in trade for many, many years. Tariffs are good way to bring things back in balance as long as they don't go crazy about it. For example, cars. One can make the argument, the competition of Japanese cars actually improved the American car industry which definitely benefits the customer.

    Interesting topic!
     
  9. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act | History, Effects, & Facts | Britannica

    bad bit of legislation.
    The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act raised the United States’s already high tariff rates. In 1922 Congress had enacted the Fordney-McCumber Act, which was among the most punitive protectionist tariffs passed in the country’s history, raising the average import tax to some 40 percent. The Fordney-McCumber tariff prompted retaliation from European governments but did little to dampen U.S. prosperity. Throughout the 1920s, however, as European farmers recovered from World War I and their American counterparts faced intense competition and declining prices because of overproduction, U.S. agricultural interests lobbied the federal government for protection against agricultural imports. In his 1928 campaign for the presidency, Republican candidate Herbert Hoover promised to increase tariffs on agricultural goods, but after he took office lobbyists from other economic sectors encouraged him to support a broader increase. Although an increase in tariffs was supported by most Republicans, an effort to raise import duties failed in 1929, largely because of opposition from centrist Republicans in the U.S. Senate. In response to the stock market crash of 1929, however, protectionism gained strength, and, though the tariff legislation subsequently passed only by a narrow margin (44–42) in the Senate, it passed easily in the House of Representatives. Despite a petition from more than 1,000 economists urging him to veto the legislation, Hoover signed the bill into law on June 17, 1930.
     
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  10. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    Funny they didn't include the hydro / water or fuel tariff..
     
  11. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    I'm not familiar with those tariffs.
     
  12. sasquatch91

    sasquatch91 Monkey+++

    Local high school sent out letters to our small town. The want a remodel so they want us to vote yes on a new tax to pay for it. My thoughts are im already taxed enough. And i dont even have any dang kids. They aint getting my vote!
     
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  13. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Yep, they want to sell a bond to pay for the work, taxes to pay for the bond, and a buddy is going to do the work.
    At least that is what happened here a couple of years ago.
     
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  14. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    Yea and they always use Oh but it's for the children --they have these fancy schools and they still produce uneducated dummies
     
  15. CraftyMofo

    CraftyMofo Monkey+++

    Astro-turf high school football stadiums, weight rooms rivaling the US Olympic training facilities are a sign of the times. Also falling test scores.

    Monuments to man’s stupidity?
     
  16. sasquatch91

    sasquatch91 Monkey+++

    Not even a huge school at all, town populations right around 2000 people. Seems like the graduating class gets smaller every year.
     
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  17. Navyair

    Navyair Monkey++

    Just ran a calculator on that yesterday. For the 22% tax rate up to $201,050 your're gonna pay $5273 more. At the 24% rate up to where IRMAA kicks at $206k in on Medicare, it is $5421 more. Lesser amounts for 12 and 10% rates, but you'll pay a couple of grand more.

    I was running numbers trying to figure out the amount of taxes I'd pay if I pulled money forward from our t-IRA a couple of years (24 and 25) before the taxes go back up vs rates I'd pay in '26. What has made this complex is we got hit by the SECURE 1.0 act. Wife inherited her dad's traditional IRA (t-IRA) and he hadn't taken his RMD. Instantly into higher taxes and IRMAA penalties on SSec.

    Don't mind paying taxes for honest programs, but I'll be darned if I'll pay one extra $ for illegals healthcare and Fed prisoners to get transgender surgery.
     
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