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The Lesser of Two Evils

Discussion in 'Politics' started by chimo, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd Site Supporter+

    I feel like a freakin yo-yo these days. One minute I want to just not vote for ANY federal office, in effect not giving them my consent to govern, then the next I feel like L. Neil Smith does in this piece:

    Full article here: There Is a Lesser of 2 Evils - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
  2. Salted Weapon

    Salted Weapon West Coast Monkey

  3. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Neither are palatable to any thinking person.....

  4. GOG

    GOG Monkey++

    I also followed the link in the article: "Why did it have to be guns?" and it's an excellent piece and worth reading.
    I'll have to vote for Trump if he lives through election day. I'd love to vote for a Constitutionalist, but most of them are too wise to be politicians.
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  5. svjoe

    svjoe Angry Monkey

    Both turn my stomach.........we are doomed
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  6. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    I like how GOG says it, To wise to be Politicians! In other words, they are honorable and have a conscious! Unfortunately, those are some of the more important traits we need in office, not the trash we are getting!
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  7. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd Site Supporter+

    That's why I linked it...he outlines what has been my best indicator of one's character and fitness for elected office for my entire adult life. ;)
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  8. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd Site Supporter+

    Hence my seemingly hourly flip-flopping...do I vote for the lesser of two evils and hope for the best or vote (or non-vote) my principles? Voting or non-voting based on my principles used to always be the easy choice...but this election is bizarre.
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  9. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    I am in the same place as every one else! I want to vote third party, but I know that it is a waist of a vote, I don't want ether of the two clowns we have before us, but One clown will lead us to ruin, the other might ( and this is a mighty big Might) stave off ruin for another four years! One has to have hope, otherwise we are lost!
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  10. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?

    by L. Neil Smith

    Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.

    People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician -- or political philosophy -- is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

    Make no mistake: all politicians -- even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership -- hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician -- or political philosophy -- can be put.

    If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.

    If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.

    What his attitude -- toward your ownership and use of weapons -- conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

    If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

    If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend -- the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights -- do you want to entrust him with anything?

    If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil -- like "Constitutionalist" -- when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?

    Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician -- or political philosophy -- is really made of.

    He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun -- but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school -- or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway -- Prussian, maybe -- and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?

    And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.

    Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man -- and you're not -- what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?

    On the other hand -- or the other party -- should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?

    Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue -- health care, international trade -- all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.

    And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.

    But it isn't true, is it?

    Permission to redistribute this article is herewith granted by the author -- provided that it is reproduced unedited, in its entirety, and appropriate credit given.
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  11. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    Simply put, The Gun is, and always should be a toxic position to have! To take any position on the GUN other then the four simple words plainly and clearly written in that wonderful 2nd document, makes you public enemy #1 So, the real test is actually quite a bit easier to see, if you attempt to take a position other then fully supporting of the 2nd, you are treasonous to the good folks and country!
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  12. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    Funny thing is, Trump must have Killery thinking she is on the ropes with the latest installment of Krap coming out of the dem party, telling every one that trump is thinking of pulling out!
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