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THE reason to VOTE

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Legion489, Jul 28, 2016.

  1. Legion489

    Legion489 Shining the Light of Truth

    This is 100% spot on THE reason to VOTE

    Some people have said they won't vote for Trump no matter what.

    But before you go off halfcocked, let's put something in perspective: The U.S. Supreme Court:

    Justice Scalia's seat is vacant;

    Ginsberg is 82 years old (remember she came out and ranted against Trump and endorsed Billary. It is illegal for a federal employee to publicly endorse any candidate)

    Kennedy is 79,

    Breyer is 77,

    Thomas is 67.

    The average age of a Supreme Court retirement or death occurs after 75.

    These are 5 vacancies that will likely come up over the next 4-8 years. The next President will have the power to potentially create a 7-2 Supreme Court skewed in their ideology.

    Think about that... 7-2.

    If the next President appoints 5 young justices, it will guarantee control of the Supreme Court for an entire generation. And 7-2 decisions will hold up much more over time than 5-4 decisions which are viewed as lacking in mandate.

    Hillary has made it clear she will use the Supreme Court to go after the 2nd Amendment. She has literally said that the Supreme Court was wrong in its Heller decision stating that the Court should overturn and remove the individual right to keep and bear arms. Period.

    Anyone and Everyone who is saying that they won't vote for one candidate or the other if they are the GOP nominee, please realize this. If Hillary Clinton wins and gets to make these appointments, you likely will never see another conservative victory at the Supreme Court level for the rest of your life.

    Whomever is the GOP nominee ... go VOTE for the GOP Nominee!

    Remember Romney? Three million conservatives who had voted for McCain did not cast a vote for Romney (for whatever reason) .... and the result was
    four additional years of B.H.O.

    AND ONE FINAL THOUGHT: She's already on the record as saying that her buddy, B.O. "would make a great Supreme Court Justice."
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  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Here's food for thought --

    There's 1 good reason not to vote, it's because no matter who you vote for, the Electoral College decides who becomes President. Furthermore, we will still live in a fascist oligarchy if Trump is "elected", just the same as any other candidate before or in the future. Additionally, we will find from the evidence of our (1) moon, our (1) star, the 8 planets (9 if you're of the mind that Pluto isn't just an ice ball), and all the illusory dark matter and black holes in the universe cannot stop some people from believing the Earth is still flat.


    I will be 43 this January.

    This means there's a very good chance 50:50 that I will not care about which puppet for Slavery, Inc. becomes "President" for the corporation known as "The United States", because the sovereign citizens of this "nation" must decide (at some point) whether they should throw off tyrannical government and provide new guards for their security, as it is still their function and duty to do so. This means eliminating the current corporate cartel known as "The United States", preferably by candlelight vigil and strong language instead of violence (because it's so popular, you know) and actually holding a real election and establishing a real government for the people and by the people --but this time we allow room for the sovereign people to "opt-out" if they choose, with no penalties.

    In short, you have all been bamboozled by greedy maniacal visionaries who will continue to use the image of FREEDUMB to further enslave the world, because it's not just good business, it's very good business making people believe they are free when they are really just slaves.

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  3. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    I just heard from friend that the Earth may indeed be flat. I read the article and if I were to be of your nature on ALL THINGS I MIGHT BE INCLINED TO BELIEVE IT. What I mean by that is that we are supressed as far as the truth goes so why not?? Have you flown non stop all the way around the earth over both poles? The group raises some questions that make for a great si fi book. But whaT IF WE ARE LIVING UNDER A DOME?? And the governments have thrown nukes at it in an attemtp to break out. What if??? The moon walk was fake, etc. About as interesting as the Nibiru theory. I CANT BUY INTO IT. However I would to be able to test it . To see if there is a dome, a wall . Broker, you have many times impressed me with your presentations of the Illusions we live under. Is it possible that the world being round also an illusion?? It would take a MASSIVE AMOUNT OF SECRECY and many false movies and pictures etc. I dont believe the earth is flat but after reading and watching it begs the question. Have you been there? did you go all the way around? I have not nor do I personally know anyone who has. I find it entertaining to say the least. :)
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  4. duane

    duane Monkey++

    I still have a faint hope for democracy and will vote and will encourage everyone I know to vote. Revolutions and coups have a bad habit of putting people in power who want that power and want to keep it and use it. Washington and the other founding fathers could have established a new kingdom, but they didn't, and I have been thankful for that for many years. For all of its many faults democracy has proven to be a better system than any other system man has so far devised for the common man. That said the use of bread and circus to buy votes and the belief that you have the "rights" to others labor and that the government exists to enforce those rights has lead to the downfall of several nations.
  5. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I do like to entertain an idea if it presents some justifiable cause, but in this I do not find a reason worthy of note. Mankind has known for millennia, and I am a fan of Aristotle.
    10 Easy Ways You Can Tell For Yourself That The Earth Is Not Flat

    The folks who truly believe in the flat-earth notion lend credence to the theory of devolution. ;)
    Not to stray from the topic at hand...although some might claim they are one and the same.
  6. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    @Brokor since I tout the original Constitution often and believe we should look to the Constitution and rule of law for how we approach everyday fairness and justice, and how well politicians, judges, law enforcement, local government are all doing, I will toss this at you. Brokor just because I believe you are also a bit of a rebel and contrarian. Brokor, unless you are a land owner, you should not vote. Unless you own land you have no stake and no right to vote. So sayeth the original Constitution. lol ..... what now my friend?
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  7. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Americans do not own land, they rent it from the State. Slaves do not own land. Once upon a time in our fledgling republic, the sovereign citizen did own land and held the allodial title, which has long been replaced by certificates of title for "real estate" held by corporations and its use taxed. The American people are mere users in accordance with law, nothing more.
  8. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Your logic and reasoning is deeply flawed. There are many of us that intend to vote and to vote for someone we believe in, not to cast our vote for whoever you have decided is the lesser of two really shitty candidates. I will not be coerced or prodded into voting either for Clinton or Trump, I think they are equally unfit for the office: read EQUALLY. I am a Libertarian, I will vote for Johnson.
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  9. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    What will be will be. Most likely History will repeat itself. Who really thought Clinton or Obama could get a 2nd term after all the crap they did and were guilty of? WE DO GET THE GOVERNMENT WE DESERVE!! What could possibly go wrong? Just look to history to see the answers. What difference does it make anyway? All the crap that we have allowed to go on for so long ...... Yup we deserve whatever happens. Cowards one and all. Myself included. We are a worldwide joke. Even former Communist countries laugh at us, and justly so. Don't vote, throw your vote away, vote your conscience, it makes no difference. We are on a downhill slide into chaos and oblivion. jus sayin. Tac
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  10. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey++

    "There's 1 good reason not to vote..."

    "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Actually, I will go one step farther. There is a VERY good reason to vote for HILLARY! Even though the game is rigged and 'Freedumb' is but a fantasy, Hillary will bring about the decline of the USA much faster by ripping apart what is left of the Constitution and by doing so finally force the sheeple to push back. In short, she will bring about Civil War. And, perhaps that is the true solution! Perhaps that is the ONLY solution! I think we have come to the end of the great experiment. We are soaked in debt. We are scorned by enemies and allies alike. We trust our government less than we trust our enemies. We dream of freedoms which no longer exist and what freedoms remain are easily taken away by an Executive Order or a simple vote by a few on the Supreme Court. So, I say a vote for Hillary is a vote for real change! A vote for the old hag is a vote for Civil War! A real change! A complete end of the USA and a new and better beginning!
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2016
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  11. marlas1too

    marlas1too Monkey++

    sorry but the way our forefathers set it up is its up to the electoral college in the last election obumo lost but the college gave it to him OVER the poplar vote
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  12. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd Site Supporter+

    My vote = my consent to govern. I will not give my consent to govern to someone whom I do not feel represents my values or the Constitution....which pretty much rules out candidates from the two major parties. The only reason I am still considering Trump is because he isn't part of the GOP establishment...but the jury is still out whether he respects and will uphold the Constitution.
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  13. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Also, Tac -The concept of land ownership is the foundation by which all rights can be exercised.

    Without property in the hands of the people, all we have is a bunch of squabbling peasants.
  14. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Interesting way of looking at it that I did not think about, win win either way. With Trump we MIGHT have a chance and with Hitlery the reset for the country happens before .goob sets up more restrictions on the people to stop it.
  15. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy


    Sorry NOPE... we do NOT have a Democracy...

    the founder were for their time highly educated men and they understood it and rejected it.

    Franklin said it... democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch...

    it is the rule of the many over the few...

    they choose for us a Representative Republic and put in a semi-democrat method for selecting our representatives...

    Sorry but this has become a sore point with me... it is a LIE used by the left and far too many have BOUGHT IT!

    IMHO is both important and BETTER to call it what it is... to avoid any confusion if nothing else...
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  16. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    Regardless of who wins, I fear this is the first year in a LONG time that it will only get uglier AFTER the election because of the temper tantrums of those who felt they 'lost', getting angry at those who didn't vote the way they wanted them to, instead of accepting responsibility for being part of the reason their candidate didn't win.
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  17. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd Site Supporter+

    I agree 100% I don't think Trump winning this election will change what is coming anymore than if Breckenridge would have won the election in 1860.
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  18. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    On a positive note, I believe a few have mentioned this already in other posts since the election is the hot topic lately, but no matter what happens, we will be closer to the truth as long as we recognize there's no stopping this juggernaut corporate oligarchy by continuing to promote the same fallacies in which we've grown accustomed. If the future reveals to us no other path, then we ought to be prepared to saddle up and ride our course. There's no sense in complaining about that which we cannot change; we should focus on the many variables in which we can influence this world. We have the power to make this a positive transition in our minds if we choose, but one certainty is that the battle ahead will become violent at some point.

    It may be best to study up on the facts, never spread disinformation and fear, and try to encourage others to drop out of the rat race while there's still time. The more people we have on our side who are willing to accept the idea that government is never the answer and that no solution can come from or through government at all, the better. We have lived our entire lives having to listen to corporate media and federally mandated schools telling us, reminding us, how much we need the government. As soon as this myth has been busted once and for all, the rest of the people will fall in line like dominoes. I believe this is one of the biggest hurdles we face as a people in these trying times, and it is only with a strong faith in each other and a commitment to maintain decency that we can achieve a higher level of greatness. Somewhere along the line in our past, we've forgotten that government was always meant to serve the people, and act only by our consent. But, the consent of the governed very quickly became public policy, and this in turn was received as being law and order. Due to trying times and hardship, the people turned to elected officials (government) to provide solutions in the form of promises, and these promises have a tendency to make us feel safer. The problem with this pattern is of course the key component --government. We have always had the solution to our problems, but we chose wrongly, and we are now suffering from an overdose of collective promise making. Every politician makes a living from learning what your desires are, from playing one special interest group after another. There is no escape from what we've created besides turning away entirely and learning to stand on our own, without government. Some will say, "But we need government to..." --BULL. Every argument of this magnitude has a counter argument, it's just that we've all got 'X' years of experience believing in what we are programed to accept. Start at zero and look at the world with new eyes, forget the brainwashing and the conditioning and try to see that the limited form of government we once had has grown by epic proportions and the very militarized society which is sworn to protect and serve us has become every tyrant's dream. Every action we take within this false paradigm will only serve to further empower those who benefit from our willing support.

    Believing we can vote ourselves out of this mess is plain delusional.

    If I wanted to help fight and resist tyranny, but did not want to use violence until I was directly threatened, I would consider the following:

    Drop Out --the system will not have legitimacy without support.
    Encourage Others --Grow stronger while the enemy becomes weaker.
    Organize and Strategize --Learn to adapt and teach others as well.
    Become Enforcers of Good --Inform the people with fact, not fear and opinion.
    Use the Tools You Have Wisely --The only constant you need to focus on is YOU.
    Save the Rebuilding Philosophy --One step at a time. Don't get tripped up with details along the way.
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  19. BlueDuck

    BlueDuck Monkey

    Giving up has never been my bag. Ill vote for Trump. He is a finger in the eye of the establishment. Ya, he may say something that hurts some feelings once in a while, but get over it. One or two more cycles of our current situation in congress and the country as we know it is over. The Supreme court, the justice system and the Constitution are at stake like never before.
    Look at how far he has come, against all odds, on his own hook and on his own nickle. Most outsiders would have been brushed aside long ago. Besides when it comes down to the shooting, Ill know that I did what I could.
  20. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd Site Supporter+

    Is heading for the storm cellar when you see a tornado coming "giving up"?

    Vote for whomever you like, but don't depend on that vote...or whomever gets elected...to change anything or stop the tornado.
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