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Utah lawmakers propose M1911 as official state gun

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Conagher, Jan 26, 2011.

  1. Conagher

    Conagher Dark Custom Rider Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Utah lawmakers propose M1911 as official state gun

    [​IMG] <CITE class=caption>AP – Utah Gov. Gary Herbert shows a Browning automatic pistol, that was presented to him by Chris Browning, … </CITE>
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    <!-- end .byline -->SALT LAKE CITY – State lawmakers are debating whether to designate a semiautomatic pistol as the official gun of Utah, despite protests from people who believe it's inappropriate because of recent mass shootings.

    The bill to make the Browning M1911 the official gun breezed through a committee hearing this week and is scheduled to be debated by the full House as early as Wednesday.

    Republican Rep. Carl Wimmer said the state should have the gun as one of its state symbols to honor John Browning, a Utah native who invented it in 1911.

    "He invented a firearm that has defended American values and the traditions of this country for 100 years," Wimmer told the House Political Subdivisions Committee.

    Utah has 24 state symbols recognizing the history, geography and culture of the state. They include a state cooking pot, a state tree, a state hymn and a state folk dance.

    The committee approved the bill to add a state gun on a 9-2 vote.
    Wimmer said the Browning M1911 is widely used by the military, police officers and private citizens, which is why he chose the pistol instead of another gun.

    Gun Violence Prevention Center board member Steve Gunn told The Associated Press honoring the M1911 is wrong because the people who opened fire in most recent U.S. mass shootings used semiautomatic pistols. That includes the Jan. 8 Arizona shooting in which six people were killed and 13 — including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords — were wounded with a Glock.

    "It's an embarrassment to the state to have as a symbol that was used only a few weeks ago to kill innocent people," Gunn said.

    Wimmer told the AP he had been planning the bill for about a year and the Arizona shooting did not change his mind.

    "There is nothing about the actions of a madman to change the fact that firearms have been used throughout our history to defend American values and traditions," Wimmer said.

    House Minority Leader David Litvak said while he opposes designating a state gun, the Arizona shooting did not give the debate any urgency.
    "We need to be careful about using that tragedy to push a political position," the Democrat said.

    He suggested the state honor Browning in a different way that focused on his many inventions, not just one of his guns.

    Jennifer Seelig, who voted against the measure said she did not see the debate as pro- or anti-gun. Instead, it is about the message sent by the state having such a polarizing symbol, she said.

    "It has a lot of deep-rooted, complex and complicated meanings on a wide spectrum, from defending life to taking it," said Seelig, also a Democrat.
    Seelig said she supports gun rights and has a permit to carry a concealed weapon. But like Litvack, she would prefer to honor Browning in a different way.

    Republican Rep. Stephen Sandstrom told the committee that recognizing the M1911 is an appropriate honor for Browning. Instead of the gun being blamed for killing people, it should be credited for saving lives on the battlefield, Sandstrom said.

    "Tragic events happen because of bad people in this world. But handguns, and firearms in general, do not kill people," Sandstrom said. "We need to stop demonizing firearms."

    ___ The bill to designate a state firearm is H.B. 219.

    A very nice way to honor John Browning....[applaud]
  2. jungatheart

    jungatheart Beginner's Mind

    You go Utah!!
  3. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Super neat idea. PA could use the Long Rifle. Hmmm ----
  4. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

  5. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    and Utah should make the Browning Automatic Rifle, (BAR) the States Official Rifle as well...... John M. Browning was one very talented Weapon Designer....
  6. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Ship these people directly to Australia.
    Heck, I would be willing to pay an additional 5% income tax to ship all people like this to Australia. Gun grabbers are mentally deranged in my opinion.
  7. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    No. Aussies face the same problems we do with do-gooder pols. I can think of better places. Let's say west of the San Andreas fault; distance west is immaterial. The extra weight might trigger it to fall off the coast.
  8. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey++

    do not ship them out here we have enough of them here allready ..let ship them to mexico instead ..
  9. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Sometimes I think you disagree with me just for the sake of disagreeing with me. This has become your reflex.

    Back off. [wannamesswitme]

    I like your idea, btw. :D
  10. Conagher

    Conagher Dark Custom Rider Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I call BS on sending the do-gooder liberals anywhere in the US......hell send them to be cannon fodder for our US troops in the hot spots of combat!
  11. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Hank2222's idea is better, don't you think?
  12. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    It is. But, we will need real border security, lol
  13. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey++

    not if we put out landmines and a motion sense control Dillion Areo mini machine guns with interchangeable lanes of fire and 200,000.rds of ammo belt links on a kill zone inside the border zone that means do not cross the line and then your are ok ..

    that means you have to go through the check points to get in and out of the border area
  14. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    That would be ideal.
  15. Conagher

    Conagher Dark Custom Rider Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Yes it would be a more ideal scenario...
  16. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Send the buggers to france - france needs more wine(ers)........ [stirpot]
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