Why Trump? He Fights!

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  1. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    This came to me in an email from my local Tea Party. Full credit is give to the Author.
    He Fights
    By Evan Sayet
    13 July 2017
    My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.” Here’s my answer:
    We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency. We tried statesmanship. Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain? We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.
    This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.
    I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party. I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”
    The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.
    The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.
    With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America’s first wartime president in the Culture War.
    During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming. Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”
    General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, son-of-a-bitch. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum, then Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.
    Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent bastards, I read your book!” That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics.
    That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis. It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.
    Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do.
    First, instead of going after “the fake media” – and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri – Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal. Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.”
    Everyone gets that it’s not just CNN – in fact, in a world where Al Sharpton and Rachel Maddow, Paul Krugman and Nicholas Kristof are people of influence and whose “reporting” is in no way significantly different than CNN’s – CNN is just a piker.
    Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. With Trump’s ability to go around them, they cannot simply stand pat. They need to respond. This leaves them with only two choices.
    They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery.
    The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve. It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.
    Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s, church.
    Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.
    This makes “going high” a non-starter for CNN. This leaves them no other option but to ratchet up the fake news, conjuring up the next “nothing burger” and devoting 24 hours a day to hysterical rants about how it’s “worse than Nixon.”
    This, obviously, is what CNN has chosen to do. The problem is that, as they become more and more hysterical, they become more and more obvious. Each new effort at even faker news than before and faker “outrage” only makes that much more clear to any objective observer that Trump is and always has been right about the fake news media.
    And, by causing their hysteria, Trump has forced them into numerous, highly embarrassing and discrediting mistakes. Thus, in their desperation, they have lowered their standards even further and run with articles so clearly fake that, even with the liberal (lower case “l”) libel laws protecting the media, they’ve had to wholly retract and erase their stories repeatedly.
    Their flailing at Trump has even seen them cross the line into criminality, with CNN using their vast corporate fortune to hunt down a private citizen for having made fun of them in an Internet meme. This threat to “dox” – release of personal information to encourage co-ideologists to visit violence upon him and his family -- a political satirist was chilling in that it clearly wasn’t meant just for him. If it were, there would have been no reason for CNNto have made their “deal” with him public.
    Instead, CNN – playing by “Chicago Rules” – was sending a message to any and all: dissent will not be tolerated.
    This heavy-handed and hysterical response to a joke on the Internet has backfired on CNN, giving rise to only more righteous ridicule.
    So, to my friends on the Left – and the #NeverTrumpers as well -- do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do. These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.
    So, say anything you want about this president – I get it, he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights.
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  2. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    I have never read Saul Alinsky's book so I do not know if this is true. Has anyone read this book? I have heard people talk about it but I just never put it on my TBR list.
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  3. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I have never read it and actually don't wish to do so; however, I probably should for nothing more than 'know thy enemy.'
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  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    as a newly ordained liberal, I have never even heard of this book, guess I better paypal to Amazon and get the audio version read by Samuel L Jackson or somebody because my eyes just aren't up to reading much any more. Come to think of it, I am pretty deaf too but then I do have a very loud sound system so I guess anyone in my proximity can hear the war plans being laid out. Sarcasm aside, I only see this as the same propaganda the left throws out and see nothing but the other side of the same worn coin, rubbed until you can barely tell which side is which.
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  5. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    I must admit, I was raised and grew up hating communists/socialists/Marxists just because that was the way I was raised. I have observed how most dictatorships which form under these government bases abuse their people and that as a utopian idea they might have merit. But, in real life with real flawed humans they fail miserably. I also never read Mein Kamp (sp), or Mao's little red book, or bought into Castro being a champion of the people. I actually can dismiss some of these alternate government types without delving too deeply into them as I believe in the American dream of freedom, liberty, equality, etc. So the books you asked me about above, no I have not read them. I didn't have to. Due to my beliefs and life experiences I dismissed them outright!
  6. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    The sad thing that I see coming from Trump's presidency is that it now is crystal clear that no matter what we peasants vote or who we vote into whatever office - nothing is going to change. Trump is trying to get something done, actually address some of the major issues and problems of this nation...but they, Republican and Democrats alike, will not let him. It saddens me as it is quite obvious now that change cannot happen peacefully by voting. It will not happen or come from blood, those are the only two options.
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  7. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Were it only so ---
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  8. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Metal weldin' monkey

    Great post Tac, thanks for sharing it here.
  9. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    READ THE BOOK!! Know your enemy. Each chapter (10) spells out a"rule" and how to implement it. Alinsky was well experienced as a community organizer( sound familiar?) While your at it read or peruse A People's Choice by Paul Lazarsfeld. Gives an insight as to why the moderate left doesn't put an end to the radical left. At least spend a few minutes reading a synopsis of at least these two books. Once a republic becomes a democracy socialism, or worse, isn't far off.
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  10. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey Site Supporter++

    Exactly. Read the books and know your enemy. If there are still active copyrights buy them used to keep the rat b@$turds from getting their cut. To clear your head read the 5000 Year Leap.

    BTW anybody who wants to show their respect ( i.e. pinch a loaf) He's in Zion Gardens Cemetery in Chicago. Make sure you use the one on the right
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  11. GOG

    GOG Free American Monkey Site Supporter

    Not only have I read Rules for Radicals, I keep giving copies away and am always buying more. If you want to understand and be able to counter the left, you have to know their plans.

    I also suggest reading this copy of the Congressional Record from January 1963. It is the goals of Communism as read into the record. You'll be stunned at what they've accomplished:
    Communist Goals - 1963 Congressional Record
  12. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    Rules for... Clif notes version

    12 Ways To Use Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals Against Liberals

    Why Chicago?
    Active measures (Russian: активные мероприятия) is a Soviet term for the actions of political warfare conducted by the Soviet and Russian security services (Cheka, OGPU, NKVD, KGB, FSB) to influence the course of world events, in addition to collecting intelligence and producing "politically correct" assessment of it. Active measures ranged "from media manipulations to special actions involving various degrees of violence". They were used both abroad and domestically. They included disinformation, propaganda, counterfeiting official documents, assassinations, and political repression, such as penetration into churches, and persecution of political dissidents.


    Against the United States
    A few claims of active measures against the United States were described in the Mitrokhin Archive:
    • Discrediting of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), using historian Philip Agee (codenamed PONT).
    • Attempts to discredit Martin Luther King, Jr. by placing publications portraying him as an "Uncle Tom" who was secretly receiving government subsidies
    • Stirring up racial tensions in the United States by mailing bogus letters from the Ku Klux Klan, placing an explosive package in "the Negro section of New York" (operation PANDORA), and spreading conspiracy theories that Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassination had been planned by the US government
    • Starting rumors that fluoridated drinking water was in fact a plot by the US government to effect population control
    • Starting rumors that the moon landings were hoaxes and the money ostensibly used by NASA was in actuality used by the CIA
    • Use of sympathetic elements in the press to libel the strategic defense initiative as an impractical "star wars" scheme
    • Fabrication of the story that AIDS virus was manufactured by US scientists at Fort Detrick; the story was spread by Russian-born biologist Jakob Segal.
    Supporting political movements
    According to Stanislav Lunev, GRU alone spent more than $1 billion for the peace movements against the Vietnam War, which was a "hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost". Lunev claimed that "the GRU and the KGB helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad".

    The World Peace Council was established on the orders of the Communist Party of the USSR in the late 1940s and for over forty years carried out campaigns against western, mainly American, military action. Many organisations controlled or influenced by Communists affiliated themselves with it. According to Oleg Kalugin,

    ... the Soviet intelligence [was] really unparalleled. ... The [KGB] programs -- which would run all sorts of congresses, peace congresses, youth congresses, festivals, women's movements, trade union movements, campaigns against U.S. missiles in Europe, campaigns against neutron weapons, allegations that AIDS ... was invented by the CIA ... all sorts of forgeries and faked material -- [were] targeted at politicians, the academic community, at [the] public at large. ..

    It has been widely claimed that the Soviet Union organised and financed western peace movements; for example, ex-KGB agent Sergei Tretyakov claimed that in the early 1980s the KGB wanted to prevent the United States from deploying nuclear missiles and that they used the Soviet Peace Committee to organize and finance peace demonstrations in western Europe.
    Tretyakov made a further uncorroborated claim that "The KGB was responsible for creating the entire nuclear winter story to stop the Pershing II missiles," and that they fed misinformation to western peace groups and thereby influenced a key scientific paper on the topic by western scientists.
  13. john316

    john316 Monkey+++

  14. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    I experienced this first hand as I viewed the Puppet Like Students' Riots (Puppets of what appeared to be a movement controlled by Profs) at Berkley in the 70s. I knew I was seeing more than I understood at that time. Later in life I stitched it together with other events and knew we were in a real life long fight for survival of any freedoms we could carve out of what was left after the civil war to come..

    Of course we are now in that Civil War.
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  15. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    This is so true-
    9) The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself. (snip) Liberals have a mentality that says, "Everything we do is harmless, but everything conservatives do is potentially dangerous." Yet, we're usually too well behaved to copy their tactics. Mimic those tactics once or twice and the Libs will freak out so hard that they'll start declaring it to be off limits for everyone, including their own activists.
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  16. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    These "rules" don't take into account the use of them against those that start it in the first place! This is where the "right" can off set things, turn the tables as it were. Switching gears as part of the "rules" is one tactic to displace the right, but if the right can stick it to them, and counter the steps as they happen, then the "rules" no no longer have any substance!
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  17. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    you need to do a look up of Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals... and read what is contained therein... ahh... here

    the klinton is reported as thinkin he was the greatest thing since sliced bread...

    reports are she studied at his knee so to speak...

    and moto... I'm kinda amazed ya never read or got any of this...

    didn't want to maybe? It is rather nasty and underhanded when ya think on it...

    Rules for Radicals - Wikipedia

    Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals

    Full text of "Rules for Radicals"

    Want to understand Hillary Clinton? Read Saul Alinsky
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  18. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu RIP 4/19/2018

    I elected Mr Trump to fire people! To take names and kick buttocks! Decorum is not necessary!
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  19. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    So, my experiences in life have just been considered a Baiting Post.
    Yup must be time to sign off
  20. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    "Starting rumors that the moon landings were hoaxes and the money ostensibly used by NASA was in actuality used by the CIA"
    This certainly was successful as I cannot even count how many times in different countries I was asked if the Americans really did land on the moon. It was annoying as some of those people were actually well educated yet still held doubts. I would tell them if they thought that all the Observatories in the world were controlled by the Americans which would get me a dumbfounded look.
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