Obama, Pick A Side: God Or Gay

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  1. TXKajun

    TXKajun Monkey+

    Looks like O's going for more "damage control" after Newsweek declared him as "First Gay President", complete with rainbow colored "gaylo". http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/14...gay-president/

    Now he's hiring a "Faith Outreach Director" for his campaign to try to get back the votes he lost when he came out in favor of gay marriage. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...or/?hpt=hp_bn5 Michael Wear is 23 years young, graduated from George Washington U in 2011, and has a BA in political science. Not a lot of pics of Mikey, but here's one:
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meet...aign-outreach/ Noticed he's been with the WH since 2010 and salary has been ~$45K/yr.

    OK, O, you gotta realize something right here, right now. There are some things that you can NOT take a stand on both sides of. You either are going to have to be for them or against them. The 2 sides are mutually exclusive, at least in some peoples' (voters) minds. Oh, wait a minute, he's a politician and incabable of 1) taking a firm stand and 2) opening his mouth without uttering a lie. My bad! whistle.


  2. CATO


    Why is the state/govt. involved in marriage anyway? It took a lot of coaxing for my wife to convince me to go through with it. Ultimately, I figured it was something she wanted and was just a long day for me, so I acquiesced.

    My viewpoint has been that I don't need a piece of paper, a preacher/JOP, or a ring to tell me what my duties, roles, responsibilities are regarding "family." All of that was set in my mind beforehand. I don't wear a ring...means nothing to me, but follow the 10 Commandments because the are good rules by which to live--religion has nothing to do with it.

    I can understand how this can a religious affair however, so it should be something between the church and the couple... I also realize how very important the sanctity of marriage is for the health of a society. Family, family values and the transference of morals from one generation to the next is extremely important.

    The problem with allowing the state in on a typical religious ceremony is that it creates bureaucratic BS to deal with: wills, probate, alimony, prenuptuals......all of that is just a PITA. How did society ever work with the state crawling up your @$$ about everything?

    This huge focus on the legality of marriage....instead of the moral/spiritual side of marriage has resulted in a whole group of this country having babies out of wedlock, growing up without a father, then perpetuating the cycle--then complaining they don't receive a fair shake...nevermind that 1/4 are in jail/prison or have been incarcerated. It used to be shameful to do such a thing...with today's welfare system, you're rewarded for it and in that culture you get "street cred" for being locked up.

    No thanks...keep your ideas about marriage off the ballot box and back into church where they belong. It's all about gayz receiving benefits of the partner with insurance anyways.

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  3. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey++

    Obama, Pick A Side: God Or Gay

    0bama chooses.......

  4. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    God is neither a voter, nor is he a candidate for POTUS

    As far as I can tell, God is not a registered voter, and although many claim to be his proxies, speaking on his behalf...he..if he exists...is silent.

    The proposition could be more accurately expressed as..."Obama, Pick a Side: The Religiose Right, or Gay". It is not as alliterative as the thread header....but it describes the factional interests who do vote, more accurately...
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  5. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey

    The puupet made no choice. He's pandering for votes. He cares not one whit for anyone but HIMSELF.
    Hopefully this will result in many fence-sitters going against him.
  6. TraumaHawk2011

    TraumaHawk2011 Monkey

    So you guys are still expecting Obama to do the right thing? About anything ? Interesting ...
  7. CATO


    What is the right thing? Both the Kenyan and Romney are vote pandering. If one says "I support X," the other says "I don't support X." In this case, Romney had to flip-flop from his previous position on the issue. They're just picking distracting issues that will play out well in the media for a while to keep the sheeple from noticing the real problems.

    The "right thing" would be to say: "I, like you, have an opinion on this and many other issues. However, this is not a federal issue. It is one to be dealt with at the state and local level. Now, I've read the Constitution, and nowhere in it does it give the federal government the power to regulate marriage...or healthcare. So, that's where the 10th Amendment proscribes how to deal with such issues. These are local issues...period. ...and that's the last time I'm going to speak about the issue."

    OK....so the Kenyan couldn't say this without lying because he's never read the Constitution, but you get my drift.
  8. ghrit

    ghrit troglodyte Administrator Founding Member

    What are the remaining "issues" that affect the entire population rather than divisive and personal level items such as same sex unions within or without the context of religion? How about fiscally responsible government? How about wasting the best and brightest in the sandbox? How about this travesty, the DHS? How about illegal immigrants? How about trampling on the Constitution, left, right and center?

    Rather than using a term that belittles gays, I'll just say that's a personal thing, and dot gov should keep its beak well clear of that bucket of (______________) soup. Same applies to the front runners for the oval office chair. Tend to the business of government, not the ranting emotions of a few loudmouths. Some squeaky wheels don't need grease; show me the "mechanic" that knows the difference so I can support him.
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  9. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator Site Supporter

    Now wait just a minute here Chell.... From the above "Quote" the only thing YOU can SAY is..... "If He exists... is silent, in that he hasn't and doesn't speak to Me." You can have NO IDEA, if that is a "Mutually Exclusive" Situation, for other folks... All you can say is, it is for YOU... Maybe GOD has decided that You, aren't worth "SPEAKING TO" where as, there maybe be others, that regularly communicate with GOD. How do you KNOW, that GOD hasn't been speaking to others, since the beginning? Have you queried every possible Human, alive today, and even if you could, maybe they are NOT willing to disclose their communications with GOD, to you.... What makes YOU, the arbiter of this question? Just a Little presumptuous of YOU, In MY Opinion.... YMMV....
  10. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify the belief that deities either do or do not exist; this pretty well defines me.

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