Peak Oil- what it is and how it will impact your life

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  1. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I would not be too aggressive with your language, Minuteman has proven to be a valued and honorable member of these forums for many years, and some people here know him quite well. I would hold your personal inquiries for private messaging and just try to stick to the subject matter. You have made some very good points, and perhaps made some questionable ones to debate in civil manner, and I wouldn't start crossing the line into personal territory when we can have a great discussion on this subject.
     
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Accept it, he is. I think you might find more to agree with than to fault if you spend the time reading instead of typing. For a guy that has just started posting, your credibility is yet to be established vs. long time members.
    Here, I'll add that Minuteman is currently in the field on a remote rig. He needs no help from anyone to defend his thesis. When he gets back home, he'll either rebut the argument or not, I'm sure.
     
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  3. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I am actually leaving the rig in about an hour to go on days off. There is so much wrong with this guys posts it is no problem to pick them apart but alas I don't have the time right now. But for instance, he says he WAS in the industry in the 80's then later says he has decades of experience. Then says he is a Production Engineer, nuff said there. Sorry Ghrit. And yes we "fracked" in the 80's but not the high pressure fracking that we do today in these tight unconventional shales.

    Then he says "Fracking has nothing to do with the lateral section of horizontal wells, horizontal wells aren't unconventional"

    Umm. very telling, in the 80's when we were doing conventional frac jobs and directional drilling was in it's infancy this might have been true but today it's absurd. That is the crux of the entire upswing in recent production is the high pressure fracs of horizontal wells. Seems like this guy had some little office experience in the 80's and thinks that qualifies him as an expert on this subject. He knows a bit of the lingo and inserts it when he can to, very obviously, try to enforce his cred. Tri-plex pumps, multi shot surveys, things any 6 month roughneck would know. May be he did roughneck a bit at one time. I seriously doubt the engineer claim. But then again the engineers in the oil and gas industry are pretty much the most clueless people involved in the process.

    I have worked with guys like this over my almost 40 years of actually drilling oil and gas wells. Engineers dream of wells, drillers drill them. They think they can sit in an office and do my job in the field. Yeah right.

    Just for bona fides, I was on one of the very first horizontal wells drilled in the DJ basin of Central Colorado in the early 1980's. I worked on the deepest well, to that date, to wildcat in the Santa Maria Basin of central California. We went to 12,000' and hit a major new play. I drilled the first horizontal well in Saudi Arabia to exceed 1000' of lateral section in the 1990's. I have been drilling oil and gas wells since 1977, in 8 US states and 2 foreign countries.

    I will check in next week when I get back and see how this develops. No need to reign him in B. He is a wannabe and is shooting himself in the foot with every post. I just don't have time to point out all the flaws in them right now. I don't mind if someone disagrees with peak oil or doesn't believe the "thesis", much is theoretical and a lot of war-gaming, what if's. But I do mind people trying to appear to be uber knowledgeable and to delude people with, to someone who knows, contradictory and implausible arguments and obviously convoluted "logic". The guy is a poser. He is the epitome of the saying "A little knowledge is dangerous".
     
  4. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    lol, I am not touching this one. [roflmao]
     
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  5. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Pass the popcorn, B.[pop]

    Then again, it might just be a preview of a show that won't get shown.

    How about 12K foot laterals and 100 or more stage fracks? We have some ---. Gotta love 4 each triplex pumps in parallel.
     
  6. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    [pop] interesting.
     
  7. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    My relief just called and is going to be late so I have a few more hours before I can leave. I get most of my "Monkey Time" at work. Not too much when I am on days off. I was just sitting outside smoking a cigar and thinking about this post. I wanted to share a true story about engineers.

    We were running completion on a well and the process is to run a 4 1/2" tubing with a "seal assembly" on the bottom. Basically a pipe with rubber seals on it. We "sting" into a PBR(plug back receptacle). The oil and gas is produced through this tubing and it can be replaced if it develops a leak or gets too corroded. We "sting" into the PBR, put the string into compression, usually 30 to 60k down weight to keep it from moving during high pressure fracking. We then pressure up on it with as much as 8500 psi surface pressure to make sure the seals hold. We had been having problems with the seals failing and had to remove the 13,000+' of tubing twice.

    The engineers in the office came up with a plan and we had a conference call to discuss it. The normal procedure is to sting in, measure how much slack off is needed to get 60k down wt., then pick back up and "space out". Install "pup jts", pipes of shorter lengths, then install the "tubing hanger" that will set inside the wellhead(35' below the rig floor on my rig) then sting in and "land" the tubing hanger with the pipe in the proper compression.

    The idea was to eliminate having to sting in twice to minimize the chance of damaging the seals. I measured my pipe on surface and reconfigured it. The joints are all slightly different lengths. 41.5, 40.9 etc. By exchanging shorter jts. for longer ones you can lengthen the entire string or vice versa. We knew we had to have 5' of slack off once the seals were stung in to achieve 60k wt. I had it measured out to where we would have 4.69' left when fully stung in. Pretty damn close.

    Conference call.
    I explain what I have and what my plan is. My drilling Superintendent and a table full of engineers are listening. An engineer, and not just any engineer, but the engineering supervisor pipes up and says" I only have one comment. Why don't we just go ahead and round that 4.69' up to 5'. " I had been up for a couple of days and my response was "If they taught you in engineering school how to round up steel I would love to learn that trick!" My superintendent says "OK, T we will talk to you tomorrow". Click.

    Next day we have ran the 13,000+' of tubing, made up the tubing hanger, stung in and were 4' too long. We had to pick up anyway and space out.

    Conference call.
    Head engineer, "I don't understand how we could be 4' too long, I thought you had it measured out."
    Me ( been up for 3 days now) "Really? You have all these educated people sitting around that table, with enough letters after your names to make up half the alphabet and you can't understand how we could run 13,000' of steel, weighing 350,000lbs. into an environment that is over 300 degrees on bottom and have it be 4' longer? You just can't grasp that?"
    My superintendent "Ok, T, we'll talk to you later." Click

    Yeah I am not too keen on engineers. At least the ones in my profession.
     
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  8. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    It has ALWAYS been my philosophy, that before ANYONE can take a Job, as an Engineer, they must have spent 3-5 years as a Tech, in the same field. If this were the case for hiring Engineers, those kind of things wouldn't be happening.... It is like they do NOT let Graduate Engineers, even sit for the Professional Engineers Licensing Test, unless they have a Letter from a Licensed Engineer, attesting to the fact that the candidate has spent the last 5 years working under that PE's Stamp, and is qualified to be a PE..... doesn't matter if these Yahoos have a PHD in Engineering... No documented Professional Engineering Experience, No even sitting for the PE Test....
     
  9. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    There was actually a proposal many years ago to require a minimum of two years field experience before you could receive a PE degree. But it got shot down by academia.

    BTW. A Drilling Foreman/Consultant (AKA Company Man) is the highest paid salaried position in the O&G industry. About 3 times what the most experienced Petroleum or Production engineer makes. There's a good reason for that.

    PE's are not even in the top 5.

    RIGZONE - Top 5 Highest-Paying Jobs in 2012
     
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  10. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Academia had nothing to do with it directly, they wanted to require a 4 year degree for eligibility. The profession itself (in mine, anyway) does a good job of policing itself regarding licensure, no need for legislation. There IS a minimum time in service (not necessarily in the field except as "field" relates to the profession, but working experience) required, but long ago I forgot what it is. Anyway, the brouhaha was over requiring a 4 year degree as part of the prerequisites. That was not deemed necessary for a bundle of reasons, not the least of which is there's no way to pass the exams without the education, formal or informal, and even then it's chancy. I know of three PhDs that failed several times. One gave up, one finally made it on the third try, the third took 4 tries. (All three were too narrowly focused specialties.)

    Obviously, that four feet was thermal expansion plus a bit of gravity --- :lol:
     
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  11. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    My Brother "The Engineer" left school during his Masters Program, to feed his family. He and two friends started an Engineering Firm, soon after that, and he was working for one of the Premiere Auto Crash Testing Outfits, as an Instrumentation Tech. He worked under their PEs for the required 5 Years, and they signed off, for him to take the PE Exam. He passed on the first try. His two Partners are both PHD Engineers, but both had to work under my BS Engineering, Brothers PE License, for the required 5 years, (State Requirement in Utah) before he could sign Off for them to take the PE Exam. Both had to take it twice, to finally pass. The only letters after their Names that matter, are the PE. In Utah, you can NOT call yourself an "Engineer" unless you have a PE Stamp. You are just a "Graduate" if you do NOT have a stamp..... To my way of thinking, This is the way it should be......
     
  12. Collapsenik

    Collapsenik On Hiatus Banned

    There is. You can't come home to lunch with your kids everyday of their lives until they leave for college as a company man on a drilling rig, and being able to do that is priceless.

    I started in MWD, moved to LWD, and became a directional driller. That is on the list. I quit and took a 60% pay cut to get back onshore, and into production operations and completions. The industry pays for the reduction in quality of life that comes with working on the rigs. You can keep the money.

    Frac densty itself is an issue. As any production engineer will tell you, the production profile from differing densities of interfering completion stages leads to differing calculations of NPV (net present value), each stage in current Utica/Marcellus development is running about $150G-$200G per stage. As density increases, production expected per stage drops, but initial production is enhanced. You've got to run the well economics making an estimate as to how this one non linear decline per stage balances against a higher initial starting point.

    I think I will change my prior position, and stipulate that just as I am familiar with the jargon of the industry, MM is as well. And neither of us learned it as a roustabout.

    So I have one question related to peak oil.

    What is MinuteMan's opinion on the quality of the old PetroConsultants database (now IHS EDIN) on existing oil and gas fields around the world? How has his experience drilling within some of those fields matched up the recoverable numbers calculated by the reservoir engineers and petroleum geologists, and then entered into that database?

    Well how about the facts then? I've posted the cost to surface numbers of the Bakken, what might MM's be? I've posted how to empirically determine that the old wives tales of the mid and late 80's were bogus, I didn't see an MM response to that? TPTB have been predicting the end of oil since 1886, I am curious why those doing it now are expecting a different result? MM said that there would be rationing by the end of the decade (2010) and instead we are currently experiencing lower oil prices, and I can buy a tanker truck of fuel just as he can. Those of us who experienced rationing in the NE during the energy crisis of the 70's saw far more disruption than the claims of modern peak oilers (starting with Colin Campbell's claim from 1989). Why have we had so many peak oil claims, and so few peak oils? Why have we had peak oils (1979) and then decreasing production, and then increasing production? And the President telling us we are going to run out by the late 80's. Can MM tell us how many peak oils we can have before we finally get around to the one that matters?

    All of these strike me as reasonable peak oil questions, yet most peak oilers avoid them like the plague. What are MM's EUR calculations for the resource plays, certainly that information is needed to be able to claim that a well is, or is not, profitable. How many reserve or resource studies has he completed, and put his name and credentials on the line for? Has he done wells? Companies? Countries? The entire world? Certainly the EIA link MM provided did not validate his point at all, and was about a completely different topic. Are we allowed to notice, or is that considered aggressive? Does MM have his own stochastic methods for calculating his reserve and resource estimates from the wells he drills, or does he follow the SPE PRMS to the letter?

    Legitimate questions? Yes, no, maybe?
     
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  13. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Honestly, I think you can present facts in a civil way and expect the same in return, but if you get to personal qualifications, we here at the Monkey generally do not offer up details at every turn, but may provide some additional information via a private conversation. We call this "operational security", or OPSEC. We follow these procedures to protect ourselves and loved ones. Listen, some of the founders here -if not most of them, as well as some of us who have been here pretty much since the beginning like myself, have taken the time to get to know folks around here. Some have met in person, some are related, and we really are like a family. Also, in my honest opinion, out of every member I have ever known here, Minuteman is undoubtedly the most welcoming I have known. He's got a temper, as do quite a few of us *cough, like me*, but I promise you, demanding qualifications for every "fact" is not going to win an argument.

    Now, some of your points may be valid, I do not know, and I reserve the debate to continue with others who are more qualified, if that is what you are after. I personally do not believe in the hype of peak oil, never did -but I can understand the concept and the fact that we do have a limit on natural resources and the amount we can draw each day/month/year in perpetuity. As for the manner in which you present your points, I would try to focus on the facts and not try to get into a pissing contest because I can guarantee you will lose. Minuteman is fully vetted, in every way. Believe it.

    You *can* disagree and still have a civil debate. The contest over who is more qualified is not relevant to an argument, and is actually considered to be a fallacious cop-out. The facts should speak for themselves.
     
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  14. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Avoid or ignore? Quibbling over a few hundred million BTU or petrobux per hole in the earth does nothing for either side of the question. Irrelevant, in fact, to the thesis of peak oil (or peak anything.)
     
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  15. Collapsenik

    Collapsenik On Hiatus Banned

    Could be either. An examination of peak oil literature reveals the possibility of both. Just the focus on Hubbert's approx. 1970 peak oil in the US call, while ignoring/avoiding his 1950 US peak oil claim, being just one example.


    And not one I've brought up. I would prefer to stick to the facts of the matter, revolving around the engineering, geology and economics involved.

    Well...we'll see how that goes then. Facts and peak oilers don't always get along, but I'm as game as anyone.
     
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  16. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

  17. Collapsenik

    Collapsenik On Hiatus Banned

    This is just a reaction to peak oil back when it was declared by Deffeyes on Thanksgiving, 2005. Took 9 years to get through it, come out the other side, and let demand destruction finally begin to bring down the price more than the 30%+ it has dropped since peak price in 2008.
    Good news in the long run, particularly considering this was what peak oil was SUPPOSED to look like, circa 2005.

    Peak oil in a nutshell - Here comes the nutcracker
     
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  18. AmericanRedoubt1776

    AmericanRedoubt1776 American Redoubt: Idaho-Montana-Wyoming Site Supporter+

    This was an interesting book I read: $20 Per Gallon: How the Inevitable Rise in the Price of Gasoline Will Change Our Lives for the Better: Christopher Steiner: 9780446549547: Amazon.com: Books
    Book Description
    Imagine an everyday world in which the price of gasoline (and oil) continues to go up, and up, and up. Think about the immediate impact that would have on our lives. Of course, everybody already knows how about gasoline has affected our driving habits. People can't wait to junk their gas-guzzling SUVs for a new Prius. But there are more, not-so-obvious changes on the horizon that Chris Steiner tracks brilliantly in this provocative work. Consider the following societal changes: people who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody wants to live too far away because it's too expensive to commute to work). Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly. Trains will become the mode of national transportation (as it used to be) as the price of flying becomes prohibitive. Families will begin to migrate southward as the price of heating northern homes in the winter is too pricey. Cheap everyday items that are comprised of plastic will go away because of the rising price to produce them (plastic is derived from oil). And this is just the beginning of a huge and overwhelming domino effect that our way of life will undergo in the years to come. Steiner, an engineer by training before turning to journalism, sees how this simple but constant rise in oil and gas prices will totally re-structure our lifestyle. But what may be surprising to readers is that all of these changes may not be negative--but actually will usher in some new and very promising aspects of our society. Steiner will probe how the liberation of technology and innovation, triggered by climbing gas prices, will change our lives. The book may start as an alarmist's exercise.... but don't be misled. The future will be exhilarating.

    Amazon.com Review
    Q&A with Christoper Steiner, the author of $20 per Gallon: How the Inevitable Rise in the Price of Gasoline Will Change Our Lives for the Better

    Steiner, an engineer-turn-journalist, explains how the simple but constant rise in oil and gas prices will change our lifestyle, but not necessarily for the worse. Read this Q&A to find out more about this revolutionary theory.


    Gas prices are going up again this summer, but are you really suggesting prices might rise to $20 a gallon?
    That figure lies far ahead in the future; it's hardly an imminent thing. But most people don't require much convincing to know that $2 gas isn't sustainable for the long term. Oil is a finite resource that the whole world demands--a world that grows more gasoline consumers every day. It's important to understand that this book isn't about oil statistics, it's about our lives and the ways in which we live will change.

    What do you hope readers will gain from reading your book?
    Readers should gain an appreciation for the kind of change that lies behind the growing price of gas. Weaning ourselves from gasoline isn't a scary thing, it's an exciting thing. We're talking about cleaner environments, more walkable lives, better public transportation and more vibrant cities.

    What are some of the surprising ways you think rising gas prices will change our everyday lives?
    I don't think people realize how close our airline industry is to an all-out collapse. The book details a massive airline extinction at $8 per gallon, and in fact, serious change could take place even before then. It's certainly not something that should be celebrated, but the collapse of that industry will open the door to new ones, such as widespread high-speed trains in America, a phenomenon that won't take serious root until plane tickets become luxuries rather than conveniences. Beyond the airlines, I think people might be surprised to think that their future may not include Wal-Mart, and that their food world may condense, ruling out things such as sushi, but introducing things such as local organic fruit, vegetables and meat.

    Is this pure speculation and fantasy or what kind of research did you do?
    I consulted experts in a bevy of industries throughout the whole book, so this is not a random exercise, far from it. That said, it can be hard to forecast exactly at what gas price each change will happen. There are many unforeseen factors that can accelerate or forestall a certain change, such as government involvement in building high-speed train networks. If the government funds trains aggressively, change will be effected quicker, obviously. But I do feel that all of the changes represented in the book will happen eventually, whether they take place at gas prices of $10 per gallon or $12 per gallon.

    So how scared should we be of the changes to come?
    There is little to be scared of. The rising price of gas will unlock countless doors to innovation, opportunity and change.

    Why does your book's subtitle say rising gas prices will change our lives "for the better"? How so?
    We've grown used to engorging ourselves on the back of cheap oil and it has lead to all manners of problems. As the price of gas goes up, we'll live closer to work, school, eat healthier foods and even be skinnier and safer. The book profiles research that connects cheap oil to America's obesity rate and to the daunting numbers of people that die on our roadways. As the price of gas goes up to, say, $6, we'll save more than $30 billion on obesity-related diseases, 10,000 fewer people will die in car crashes and thousands of people will be spared heart attack deaths related to air pollution. Those kinds of effects will only be magnified as the price of gas rises further. And that's just a sampling of the benefits.

    In what ways will rising gas prices improve our economy and job market?
    America has lost much of its manufacturing mojo during the last 20 years. A green revolution, fueled by a search for alternative energies and technologies, could change that. Not only will there be need to produce things such as solar panels, electric cars, and new city infrastructure, but the power of globalization will be blunted by higher gasoline prices. The advantages of, say, making a computer in China decrease as the cost of fuel increases and the cost of transporting things all over the earth rises-that will lead to manufacturing jobs returning here, to home soil.

    In what ways will the rising cost of gasoline boost innovation?
    The innovation game is one that many people anticipate as oil's grip on the world ebbs. New technologies will be needed in all arenas that oil touches, including cars, trains, our homes, the plastic we use and the roads we drive on-and those are just a few examples. The opportunities for inventors in a world with less oil will be prolific.

    What kind of places did you visit for your research and why was it necessary to visit them?
    Good books need good stories, and it's hard to tell a good story from just talking to people over the phone, so I got out there and did things. I worked on an electric UPS truck in Manhattan for a day; I spent some time on a fishing boat hauling in Asian carp; I descended into one of New York's new train tunnels currently under construction; I rode our nation's fastest train to meet the Amtrak CEO in Washington. I'm not anointing my book or my stories as good--that's up to the reader--but creating an enriching storyline within a nonfiction book was my goal, so I'm hopeful I did that.

    So now that we know this, what should we do in the here and now?
    Preparing for the future isn't about buying the latest gadgets or the car with the best mileage. Those things help, of course, but they're mere pings in a coming cacophony. People who will do the least amount of adjusting in the future are those who already live more sustainable lives. Where you live largely determines how you live. Buying solar panels for a house at the far edge of the suburbs, for instance, won't alter how the future affects you. Moving to a walkable neighborhood where groceries, your kids' schools, your office or a train are all within several blocks-that's a change you'll profit from and a place where the future will be kinder.

    From Publishers Weekly
    Starred Review. According to Steiner, senior staff reporter at Forbes magazine, surging fuel prices will transform Americans' daily lives almost beyond recognition. With traditional energy sources disappearing and global demand soaring, the U.S. will confront gas prices rocketing to $6, $8, $14 and beyond—prices that will compel sweeping changes in everything from urban planning to food production. He reveals the consequences of each incremental hike in gas prices: at $8 per gallon, air travel will essentially vanish; at $14 a gallon, Wal-Mart stores will become empty “ghost boxes”; when gas hits $16 a gallon, sushi will become an extravagance only for the extremely wealthy. While many changes will come at tremendous social and economic cost, Steiner envisions a better future, where human ingenuity will spur greater efficiency and less waste. Although it's unlikely all the author's predictions will come true—he goes so far as to forecast the order in which airlines will go out of business—the surprising snapshots of the future (where rising gas prices might revitalize Detroit) make for vivid and compelling reading.
     
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  19. AmericanRedoubt1776

    AmericanRedoubt1776 American Redoubt: Idaho-Montana-Wyoming Site Supporter+

    #13 The average cost of producing a barrel of shale oil in the United States is approximately 85 dollars. Now that the price of oil is starting to slip under that number, the "shale boom" in America could turn into a bust very rapidly.
    Source: 19 Very Surprising Facts About The Messed Up State Of The U.S. Economy
    If The Oil Plunge Continues, "Now May Be A Time To Panic" For US Shale Companies | Zero Hedge

    Over the past 5 years, the shale industry,fabricated or real reserves notwithstanding, has been a significant boon to the US economy for four main reasons: it has been the target of billions in fixed investment and CapEx spending, it has resulted in tens of thousands of high-paying jobs, its output has been a major tailwind for the US trade deficit, and has generally been a significant contributor to GDP (not to mention various Buffett-controlled or otherwise railway corporations). And perhaps, most importantly, it has become a huge buffer to the price of global oil, as the cost curve of US shale is horizontal, with a massive 10,000 kbls/day available within pennies of $85/bl.

    Goldman's explanation:
    We believe that the vast reserves that have been opened for development through shale oil in the US have flattened the cost curve meaningfully, at around a US$85/bl Brent oil price. We estimate shale reserves from the top three fields in the US onshore (the Permian, Bakken and Eagle Ford) at around 91bn boe, which to put it in context, is equivalent to roughly one third of Saudi Arabia’s current stated reserves(ZH: this number may be vastly overstated). Most of this resource has become available in the past five years, with few barriers to exploiting the reserves. Production in the US as a result is growing strongly, by more than 1mbpd currently, and we expect this pace of growth to continue over the coming three years as capital continues to be drawn in to these developments. The consequence is that costs of production and E&P capex/bl should stabilise as the marginal cost of production remains stable. We believe that shale oil has become effectively the marginal source of supply, providing the bulk of non- OPEC production growth. This is also the key driver of our oil price view: we continue to expect Brent oil to stay at c.US$100/bl for the coming few years.

    For once, Goldman is spot on (even if their Brent price target may be a bit off): with shale oil profitable only above its virtually horizontal cost curve, it means that a whopping 11,000 kbls/day are availableas long as Brent is above $85, a clear "red line" for all OPEC producers.

    The red line is conveniently shown on the chart below:

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    Furthermore, in the following chart, it is clear how lower rates of Fed-sponsored cheap-funding have enabled more and more mal-invested wells to drill chasing 'only-increasing' shale oil... if rates rise (high-yield credit spreads broke 400bps today - the highest in 13 months) then the breakevens become even more expensive and that cost curve even more compromising to the marginal producer.

    [​IMG]



    However, should the price drop below $85, and very bad things start to happen, not the least of which is what we warned about in May that "Shale Boom Goes Bust As Costs Soar." That was when Brent was $110. It is now at $85 and sliding lower.

    As a further reminder, we noted two days ago that shale is now in a bear market:

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    But that is nothing compared to the no bid market the (very, very levered) shale companies will find themselves in if and when, for whatever reason, Brent drops below $85 to a price where only Qatar is profitable on the global Brent cost curve.

    So while we understand if Saudi Arabia is employing a dumping strategy to punish the Kremlin as per the "deal" withObama's White House, very soon there will be a very vocal, very insolvent and very domestic shale community demanding answers from the Obama administration, as once again the "costs" meant to punish Russia end up crippling the only truly viable industry under the current presidency.

    As a reminder, the last time Obama threatened Russia with "costs", he sent Europe into a triple-dip recession.

    It would truly be the crowning achievement of Obama's career if, amazingly, he manages to bankrupt the US shale "miracle" next.
     
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  20. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Nice post AR. It's refreshing to see someone actually comment with facts and figures and references instead of just opinion and speculation.
     
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