Electric vehicles

Discussion in 'Peak Oil' started by hank2222, May 16, 2018.

  1. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    ya well figure out a pitch and cut angle on paper if need be , i;ll use the gray matter
     
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  2. CraftyMofo

    CraftyMofo Monkey+++

    Our phones are more powerful than any of us would have imagined in our childhood. The knowledge freely available to be taken advantage of is staggering. 95%+ do not take advantage of any of this.
     
  3. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I have no explanation.
     
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  4. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    IMO electric vehicles are a pie in the sky dream. I just don't see electric trains, I don't see electric 18 wheelers and without both how do you transport goods around this country. I'm not buying into the whole global/climate change nonsense and the push for electric vehicles to save the planet. The USA has more hydrocarbon resources than any country, this hydrocarbon boogyman is a man made crisis started by AL Gore and the left has jumped on the band wagon.
     
  5. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Most of the world uses electric trains, nothing wrong with them. They pull power straight off the power grid not batteries.
    Electric 18 wheelers are only a good idea to people that have no comprehensio of how much power it takes to move a 40 ton truck and no knowledge of trucking logistics.
    One of the big problems I see is weight. Trucks are limited to 80,000lb. An empty sleeper cab truck weighs around 36,000 to 40,000. If we look at electrified vehicles compared to gasoline powered, the electrified ones weigh about 25% more.
    If a 18 wheeler weighs 25% more now it weighs 50,000lb empty. Yeah they say "electric trucks will revolutionize the trucking industry" yeah and not in a positive way.

    Edit, I found out that electric trucks are allowed to run 82,000lb. This only going to make up some of the difference.
     
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2022
  6. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    The issue here is Energy, Not Climate Change or anything Else... What has the BEST Energy Density for the Cost? Then ask, What's the best Energy Source for moving Goods, Long Distances? Answer those two questions, and then look at the drawbacks of each of the above answers...
     
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  7. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    I see electric trucks being used inside of cities for last mile delivery to the customer.
    The density of customers and short distance makes electric more attractive. Additionally, they can recharge at end of shift/route daily. as an added bonus, no exhaust pollution in the inner city streets. Plus, how many truckers want to drag a 53 footer in downtown NYC? Yeah, they are going to run smaller trailers anyway.
     
  8. mysterymet

    mysterymet Monkey+++

    We have a bunch of electric trains in the US too. The northeast has a mess of them. The US is much bigger than the european countries. They tend to forget that. Its easy to string electric train wires down a track a few hundred miles long. Its much harder when you have to go a few thousand miles. Also, the length of our freight trains is MUCH larger than the ones in Europe.

    List of countries by rail transport network size - Wikipedia
     
  9. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    Add to that I don't see electric planes or electric cargo ships or huge electric farm equipment (Combines, tractors) . I agree- Europe is tiny compared to the USA they can run electric trains and a a lot of people ride bikes, possibly electric cars in big cities but if there is adequate electric mass trans there would be a need for individual electric cars. Electric vehicles in the fly over states I just don't see it distances are to great.
     
  10. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Well there's the answer! Let the EV's use the train tracks, Charge as they roll from point A to point B !!!!
     
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  11. CraftyMofo

    CraftyMofo Monkey+++

    Always thought they should make them like slot cars when we were kids. The battery would just be needed for the shorter distances off the highway.
     
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  12. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Why hydrogen is dead on arrival.
     
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  13. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    I looked briefly at a Ford lightning today, very briefly I may add
     
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  14. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    WDW is charging .40 cents per kilowatt to charge your EV battery Chey Silverado full charge of battery 350 kilowatts 140 bucks for a full charge. Gas Silverado 24 gallon tank @ 3.85 gal $92.50 EV range 400 miles max-- gas range for V-8 480 miles. I'll stick with my RAM gas I expect when these democrats are out of office gabs prices will come down making EV more expensive and inconvenient
     
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  15. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    The easy answers are charge at home more or less all the time for less than 10 cents a kwh and don't only have an electric vehicle if you are a 1 vehicle household.
    If you're only going to have 1 vehicle make it a gas burner.
     
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  16. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    Electric trains , subways,trollys,busses on twin poles are all 600 VDC and they have multi areas of different supply feeds , as you travel between one to another , you coast with power not required (foot off go pedal) You need to read the road , signs etc.
    Sloth
     
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  17. Navyair

    Navyair Monkey++

    My daughter has a Tesla model Y that she loves. A first cousin a Model 3-ditto. Although I haven't driven my daughter's yet, she wants me to try it out. She just had a 220v charger installed in her garage. They kept her ICE SUV as a spare car, and he drives a big Toyota SUV to/from work. I don't see them ditching the ICE vehicles any time soon.
     
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  18. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready!

    I had a 2010 Honda Insight hybrid as a commuter and travel vehicle for over 11 years. It was one of the best cars I've ever had. The batteries were getting weaker but mpg was still 42. (From 60 originally)

    Only destruction in an accident took it out of action.
     
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  19. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    I think one's transportation should be their own choice not a government mandate.
    I was thinking of getting a horse.
     
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  20. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    A Tesla hit a tree going so fast it blew the battery apart on impact sending damaged ready to explode battery fragments flying up to a hundred feet away from the crash site.
    https://wgme.com/news/local/electri...s-harrison-fatal-crash-dep-environment-safety
    How fast were they going? Probably at least 3x the speed limit.
    The only difference had it been a gasoline car is the fire would have probably nearly burned it self out by the time the fire department showed up.
     
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