Yeah, Ford was building an EV assembly facility near me. When it was announce, land and home prices skyrocketed overnight. Now that they are a couple of years into the building process, they've done several "revamps" to the original plan for the site. Originally it was for building the EV truck (lightning?) and one EV car and was supposed to produce so many thousands per year of each. Then they pulled back on production quota. I think the latest is that the EV production is reduced to about 1/3 original estimates and now they'll be assembling some gas burners there as well. I guess on the bright side there is a "buc-ees" getting built near me. I stopped by one and was not impressed with it or the food. Oh well. I'm waiting for Ford to scrap the building all together and get out of the area, then watch land prices drop.
I don't like electric cars, I will never buy one. -Why would I limit my range with an electric car with few charging stations, when I can go much farther with a regular car? Yandex electric vehicle nightmare drive charging - Google Search -Why would I spend more money on expensive electricity, electric cars, parts, service and solar panels, for less range, than I do on regular cars and fuel? Fascinating new survey suggests EVs are terrible value for money - and gives reasons why owners are scared to drive their electric cars | Daily Mail Online Electric car charging prices in Oslo could almost triple from Thursday Electric Vehicle Charging in Oslo, Norway is Now More than Twice as Expensive as Filling Gas-Powered Vehicle | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft Florida family: Car battery replacement pricier than electric car | wtsp.com -Why would I make myself even more reliant on the increasingly strained, unreliable power grid in many places? "The state has ambitious goals to end natural-gas usage over the next several years as a way to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions. But storms and fires are more routinely causing residents to go days or weeks without power." If California Goes All-Electric, What Happens in a Power Outage? Electric car owners are told NOT to charge their vehicles because of heatwave - just days after announcing 2035 ban on gas cars Californians urged to not charge their electric cars just weeks after ban on gas cars | Daily Mail Online Governor Gavin Newsom urges Californians to limit power consumption as 525,000 customers are told to prepare for potential rotating outages - and EV owners told to wait until AFTER 9PM to charge their cars California governor urges residents to limit power use as THOUSANDS in San Fran area without power | Daily Mail Online -Why would I buy a car that is useless without electricity or in a natural or manmade disaster or extreme weather? 'Tesla graveyards' form in parts of Chicago as arctic blast leaves EVs low on juice and owners unable to charge them - we explain how freezing weather cuts battery range in HALF | Daily Mail Online -Why would I buy a car that is prone to superhot battery fires? Electric vehicles are exploding in Florida as Hurricane Ian's water damage makes batteries corrode | Daily Mail Online Electric vehicle fires: The little-known but terrifying reality about EV batteries - after one from an MG caused a blaze that destroyed five cars and a Tesla burst into flames | Daily Mail Online Sydney Airport car fire: Five vehicles destroyed after electric car's lithium ion battery ignites | Daily Mail Online Electric vehicle battery suddenly bursts into flames - and firefighter injured while battling blaze on Ross Street, Camperdown | Daily Mail Online -Why would I buy a car that can be shut down by the state? Electric or not. Seriously. What You Need to Know About the Vehicle Kill Switch Law -Why would I tolerate higher taxes, more confiscation of my income for electric car subsidies and solar subsidies? The true cost of an EV? Think tank claims subsidies for electric vehicles cost $50,000 PER CAR over a ten-year period | Daily Mail Online "Ford said this month that it incurs a loss of around $36,000 on each EV it sells" Few would do so of their own free will in a free market; the industry requires subsidies and coercing the population. -Why would I buy a car that pollutes even more and demands even more electricity than what I already have? EV Hypocrites At Home And Abroad https://www.americanenergyalliance.org/2024/03/ev-hypocrites-at-home-and-abroad/ Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, resurfaced study warns Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, resurfaced study warns | Daily Mail Online Electric cars emit more CO2 than traditional cars at production Electric cars emit more CO2 at production, research finds The Environmental Impact of Battery Production for Electric Vehicles https://earth.org/environmental-impact-of-battery-production/#:~:text=Almost 4 tonnes of CO2,tonnes of prevented emissions annually -Why would I support Chinese industry and slave mining in the Congo? Devastating photos of cobalt mines in Democratic Republic of Congo that power Apple, Tesla and more | Daily Mail Online Don't expect to see cheap electric cars anytime soon! Kia boss warns small EVs are 'economically difficult' to bring to market due to high battery costs Kia boss: Cheap small electric cars are 'economically difficult' to bring to market | Daily Mail Online (also, laptops require only a few grams of cobalt, electric cars require 10kg) And the only affordable and profitable electric cars are made in China. (Teslas are luxury cars.) Owners say rising insurance, scrapping of incentives and subsidies and 'soullessness' are forcing them to pull the plug on driving EVs Mr Bean was right...electric cars are dull to drive! Owners say rising insurance, scrapping of incentives and subsidies and 'soullessness' are forcing them to pull the plug on driving EVs | Daily Mail Online Lithium mines have closed and employees are laid off as demands for EVs drop More Americans turned to hybrid vehicles last year than EVs America's EV boom goes bust! Lithium and nickel producers begin mass layoffs and pause multi-billion-dollar projects as US says no to electric car push | Daily Mail Online Consumers are now turning away from plug-in vehicles thanks to their heftier price-tags and worries about battery resilience The buzz has gone! Demand for EVs continues to decline, with average electric car sitting unsold for more than 75 days - 25% longer than a regular gas equivalent, as Ford F-150 Lightning popularity slumps | Daily Mail Online "Due to poor sales of its first-generation EVs, Ford will slow electric investment" "CFO John Lawler noted that affordability was a major issue for consumers" "Ford's EV unit, called Ford Model e, lost $1.3 billion on an operating basis in the quarter - roughly double its loss in the same period last year. Shares of the company were down almost 10 percent in the hours after markets opened on Friday." Running out of charge: Ford becomes latest automaker to postpone its $12 BILLION EV investment - after saying customers are unwilling to pay a premium for eco cars | Daily Mail Online China’s Abandoned, Obsolete Electric Cars Are Piling Up in Cities "A subsidy-fueled boom helped build China into an electric-car giant but left weed-infested lots across the nation brimming with unwanted battery-powered vehicles." https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-china-ev-graveyards/ When there is an actual free market without massive subsidies, people do not want to buy electric cars, why is that? Maybe because electric vehicles, charging and road trips are a nightmare for normal people, as any quick search will show: Yandex Google Search "Couple's electric vehicle horror after becoming stranded without a charger deep in the country - and why a tow truck could not help them" Video: Woman explains her nightmare road trip experience with electric car | Daily Mail Online "Electric vehicles are driven the least but cost the most compared to gas cars" Fascinating new survey suggests EVs are terrible value for money - and gives reasons why owners are scared to drive their electric cars | Daily Mail Online Why I'll be buying a brand new petrol car just before the 2030 ban - Matt Ridley Even Mr. Bean gets it! ROWAN ATKINSON: Our honeymoon with electric vehicles is over so hang on to your old petrol motor | Daily Mail Online 80% of cobalt and lithium processing, battery manufacturing, electric vehicle manufacturing, and solar panel manufacturing occurs in China. China’s Solar Power Dominance Threatens Western Clean Energy Dreams (2024) Yahoo Finance - Stock Market Live, Quotes, Business & Finance News Cobalt poses human rights test for Biden on clean energy Any deposits in Western countries cannot satisfy the (artificial) demand, and cannot compete with the vast deposits of China and the 3rd world and the low labour costs of Africa and China. The rare earth metal industry (not cobalt and lithium) is dominated by China, and there is an unknown large supply in Africa, also dominated by China and Russia. China Dominates the Rare Earths Supply Chain The Geopolitics of Rare Earth Elements REE - Rare Earth Elements - Metals, Minerals, Mining, Uses Rare Earth Elements: Global Reserves and Production - Geopolitical Futures Infographic: China Dominates the Rare Earth Market Rare Earth Elements: Where in the World Are They? As for lithium: ‘Mr. Lithium’ Warns There’s Not Enough Battery Metal to Go Around (Bloomberg, 2022) A mining company consultant with decades of experience doubts the industry will be able to support all the electric car production planned. ‘Mr. Lithium’ Warns There’s Not Enough Battery Metal to Go Around Lithium producers warn global supplies may not meet electric vehicle demand (Reuters, 2023) https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...-not-meet-electric-vehicle-demand-2023-06-22/ A top lithium expert agrees with Elon Musk that there’s not enough of the crucial metal to meet booming demand A rush for Lithium in Africa risks fuelling corruption and failing citizens (2023) The lithium rush in Africa Unfortunately solar power also needs lithium batteries, and solar panels are also increasingly using rare earth metals, which are also needed for wind turbines. Rare Earth Metals in Solar Panels - Victory Metals Rare metals in the photovoltaic industry — RatedPower Ironic for some people to demand RARE metals, whilst whining about fossil fuels that are common around the world "Currently, only about 5% of lithium-ion EV batteries get recycled. This is very small compared to the 95% rate at which lead-acid batteries get recycled." EV Battery Recycling: Makes Cars Cheaper and Helps Solve the Microchip Shortage Crisis Influx of old electric vehicle batteries will pose a significant challenge for Australia | Daily Mail Online "There are no EV-battery recycling plants in California, and only five up and running nationwide, according to CalEPA." What happens when millions of electric car batteries get old? California has no EV-battery recycling plants, and few plans for coming toxic flood. What happens when millions of electric car batteries get old? – Orange County Register While it’s possible to recycle LIBs at the end of their service life, it’s a complex and costly process. As of 2021, only about 10% of Australia’s LIBs were being recycled. Globally, that figure is about 5%. Recycling lithium-ion batteries for a brighter tomorrow "while Australia recycles 98 per cent per cent of lead acid batteries, only 10 per cent of our lithium-ion battery waste is recycled" Supercharging Australia's lithium-ion battery recycling industry This waste is growing by 20 per cent a year and could exceed 100,000 tonnes by 2036. IF recycled, 95 per cent of components can be turned into new batteries or used in other industries. By comparison, of the 150,000 tonnes of lead-acid batteries sold in 2010, 98 per cent were recycled. The majority of Australia's battery waste is shipped overseas, and the waste that remains left in landfill, leading to a potential fires, environmental contamination, and risk to human health. Australia to lead lithium-ion battery recycling charge - CSIRO "Yes, lithium-ion batteries are recyclable, but the process is a bit complicated. This might be the reason why you're struggling to find a recycling center that processes this kind of waste. The first challenge to lithium recycling is that you can't handle those batteries like any other electronic waste." Lithium-Ion Battery Recycling: The Complete Guide "Tesla buys cobalt and nickel from Glencore, a mining giant with at least 70 allegations of human rights abuses against it." Tesla battery material supplier tops list of human rights abuses for second year in a row The harms of Glencore’s corruption in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Nigeria - Spotlight on Corruption "Tesla and others all insist that they hold cobalt suppliers to the highest of standards, and that they only trade with smelters and refiners who adhere to their codes of conduct. But the photos and videos that DailyMail.com can share today from some of the largest mines in Africa - where many of these suppliers get their cobalt - tell a different story." Devastating photos of cobalt mines in the Democratic Republic of the Congo Devastating photos of cobalt mines in Democratic Republic of Congo that power Apple, Tesla and more | Daily Mail Online
the key to ev, solar and wind tech is battery's/storage. i think they have quashed battery tech and are slowly trickling it out. once we solve/get that problem the stuff will work.
I am eager to see the new aluminum/ion batteries, and it would be great if they could be retrofit to older cars. I am especially curious how well they would perform on solar applications.
Think I saw and heard one yesterday at a Dodge dealership. Electric car Pulling onto the showroom floor was a electric dodge complete with big balls hemi sound? I asked the salesman what is this? He's like its totally electric, fast and turns sharp. Me, Cornbread that I am, What's this balls to the wall sound? He's like yeah and when you accelerate it the speakers get loud. Me, to hell you say? Me, That's like making love to an inflatable love doll, Something is just missing!
If they standardized on interchangeable replaceable battery packs that could be swapped out by robots at a 'Service Station' Pull up to the Pump, car aligns with the mechanism, Robot pulls out the discharged battery, replaces it with a fresh one in under say 10 minutes and these service stations are in every town and all down the highways. Until then, yeah, Internal Combustion engines are going to be the rule in the hinterlands. And I'm ok with that. No one on the camp road has more than 60 amp service anyway. Ok, John does. But he's got a huge MFing diesel power plant that can run his operation and all of his neighbors compounds as well.
Elon just announced hydrogen cars and the industry is already tooling up. The new hydrogen engine is a generator, much like a freight train only it's not a rotating machine. They found a frequency that breaks the water molecule apart at any rate they wish and the engine driving it does not need a crank shaft . "I think" not too much information was given away but this will disrupt the whole economy.
That's very small, compared to all of the costs of an electric car, both short-term and long-term And being able to fix and maintain your own much simpler, older car: priceless And older cars being paid off and lasting forever if taken care of: priceless
EV cars are great in a narrow band of operation. Not too cold in the winter, Not too hot in the summer. Say 40F to 95F. Outside that window battery performance and range degrade quickly. Gasoline motors .. not so much. -20F to 120F+ really aren't much of an issue. Where electricity prices are lower or subsidized for home charging. I don't think that 2 cents per mile is quite right. Last time I did the calculation it was more like 5-6 cents with 13c/KW and home charging. And this is just the 'fuel cost' and it might be higher at one of those charging stations. My tacoma cost is just under 18 cents per mile, my Prado is the same if I use 87 octane and stay under 70mph on the freeway. Taking the Prado offroad and running premium .. well, that bumps up to 45 cents per mile (but I'm smiling the whole time) The EV killer is depreciation and maintenance over an extended period of say .. 10 years. A 2016 Model X cost around 110K in mid trim new A 2016 Tacoma cost around 35k in mid trim new. Depreciation: Tacoma with 130k miles selling price 22-25k (lost 10-13k) Model X with 130k miles selling price 18k (lost 92k) Maintenance cost to 100k miles after warranty Tacoma total 3900 22 oil changes at home 50$ each or 1100 dollars 1 steering rack 400 dollars 2 sets of seat jackers to modify seating position 200 dollars 2 sets of replacement tires $900 for 4 tires. 2 transmission fluid spill and fills at 75 each 1 replacement battery 250 dollars Model X 10750 5 sets of replacement tires $2000+ for 4 tires 3 replacement 12V batteries at 250 dollars each. and here's the kicker, if you didn't get the drive battery replaced under warranty .. well, you are looking at about 15K being drained from your checking account. So true costs (not including insurance and plates): (fuel cost + depreciation + maintenance) / 130k miles Tacoma (23010+10000+3900)/130000 = 28.4 cents per mile. Model X (7800+92000+10750)/130000 = 85.0 cents per mile. and if you needed to replace the main battery on your dime you are looking at 96.6 cents per mile. Electric cars are great if you are independently wealthy and can right off the vehicle as a business expense. Otherwise owning them is going to kill you due to depreciation and maintenance cost almost immediately. Hybrids are the best of both worlds but I still prefer my 100 percent dinofueled ride.
Meanwhile what is the depreciation on my 2009 Subaru with 220,000 miles. I have replaced head gasket and timing belts, rest is routine stuff, tires, battery, brakes, as in all cars. Neighbor got rid of his electric at 100,000 because the battery was still good and he could sell it. Cost him 2 grand to get power to garage for charger when he bought it. Probably twice that now.
Let's say it was a 09 Forester. New price 20k. Price with 220k on the clock, selling price now is like 4k, you burned about 24k worth of fuel and probably have 5k in repairs so (fuel+dep+maint)/ miles is about 20 cents per mile to drive that car into the ground.
i want to ask ai to design and release to the public a hyper efficient electrolysis system. i wonder what it would say.
I ran 240v power to the garage a year earlier for air compressor, plasma cutter and welder for a few hundred dollars.
How much did your EV cost? How much do you pay for electricity and/or solar panels, inverters, batteries? How much does your insurance cost? How much is your depreciation? What is the range of your EV? How much time do you have to spend charging it? How common are chargers in your area and wherever you need to go? How long are the lines to use the chargers? Are all the chargers operational? Do thieves steal the copper wire from the chargers? New hardship unlocked, they do in some places How much does a replacement battery cost? And other replacement parts? How common are battery fires, and how difficult are they to put out? How much does EV service and towing cost? How much EV services are you able to perform yourself? How common are power shortages or outages? How common are natural conditions/disasters affecting EV performance? How much do EV and solar subsidies cost? What is the cost of many companies & dealers losing money by producing & stocking EVs that no one wants? What is the cost of basically relying on China or a pro-Chinese cartel for everything? What is the long-term cost to the planet of the toxic unrecyclable materials used in EVs? And the energy & pollution used to create them in the first place? Likely worse than fossil fuels if it had the same level of widespread use
I said less than $8,000 for my leaf in 2018. I charge it at night, probably takes a few hours I don't know, doesn't really matter for me. Electricity base rate here is 8 cents a kWh. I got solar panels strictly as a "fuck you" to the power company. That's it. The leaf is the cheapest of my vehicles to insure, so if you're trying to claim they cost more that's dead on arrival for me. All but one vehicle is older and has more miles than the leaf and cost more to insure further more the leaf is the only one that has free towing and rental car coverage out of all of them. Last time I checked I can sell my car for about what I bought it for, not bad considering I've been driving it for 7 years and put over a hundred thousand miles on it. The range is about 60 miles in the winter, more in the summer. The electricity rarely goes out, but I don't charge during thunderstorms. There were no public chargers here of any kind here till about 2023 the plan all along was to not need them. I've never waited to use a charger, I rarely see anyone else using them. I don't know how much a battery costs, probably a lot. I'll probably hit a deer before the battery needs to be replaced, if it does last long enough to need a battery I'll sell it to some sucker. Either way not my problem. There's been exactly 1 leaf battery charging fire out of hundreds of thousands of them, no fires due to crashes, running over shit dropped in the road. EV, solar subsidies and how much EVs cost companies is not my problem
