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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Quigley_Sharps, May 15, 2011.

  1. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    What I gather from the BS "article" is that the photo shoot was staged later on to explain the photo of OBL watching TV. Of course the stated photos aren't dated and the ones without the satellite are clearly photoshopped by someone because they are missing a huge freaking side building which should be to the right of the main building. Since all the CTs can invent a story and blame anyone for it, I will give it a go...

    My analysis is the pic with the satellite is a pic shortly after the raid which explains the orange cordon material around the outer wall and the Paki military truck parked inside the compound. I surmise that all the other pics were take days later after the Paki Police and Mil had their run of the place. This explains why the truck is no longer inside the compound, the orange barrier missing, Pakis are wondering the streets, and there are only 2 guards to the compound. What I cannot explain is why the side building is photoshopped out of those pics. Those pics clearly can't be relied on. My educated guess is some anarchist CT-type or Jihadist anti-American type over-photoshopped the bejesus out of them to try to discredit the official story.

    That is exactly the type of BS that "alternate" types get stuck on analyzing as "proof".

    As for the phone/internet/TV- Everyone knows the first reports are usually wrong. Since the linked article from Alex Jones' site was dated 2 May, I suppose it could have some incorrect information in it. That is exactly what he looks for... an early, wrong report to latch onto. After all, this report proves his frozen OBL idea is bogus (almost like he is clinging on for relevance). I wouldn't be surprised if there was no phone or internet there. Especially after douche bags like this:
    CNN.com - Cell phone tracking helped*find*al-Zarqawi - Jun 9, 2006
    Zarqawi evaded for along time using good COMSEC procedures until one of his entourage screwed up. That is basic COMSEC procedures that AQ has been following for awhile. I would say that the satellite is likely for satellite TV. The computer could easily be a stand alone. If I was the most wanted terrorist leader on the planet, I wouldn't use my hotmail account. I would load instructions, documents, information onto thumb drives and move info by dead drops. What about you?
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I don't know, I'm not a terrorist. I am a peaceful dissenter. Two totally different types, same classification by the government you endorse. ;)
  3. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    Ah! I see.

    In that case, nevermind. ;)

    (Red teaming is like a disease I can't get away from.)

    It has been fun.
  4. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    Back to the OP, this was glaring on the front page news this morning:

    Report: CIA Used New Stealth Drones to Monitor Bin Laden's Compound in Pakistan - FoxNews.com

    This is the sort of operational detail that really has no business being discussed on open forum news. Its not necessary to point out the UAV capability and it seriously hinders our efforts against other HVIs or even future high intensity conflicts to know we have a National-level stealth UAV asset. We people cry for transparency, this is the sort of thing that should be kept a state secret. Our need to know every little detail in this instant information world is often like shooting ourselves in the foot. I do believe in transparency, but I say reserve that argument for closed door Congressional Sessions, blind funding, and spending scrutiny where gov't does need oversight. Not for the capabilities of our Armed Forces. Now that the capability is out there, the enemy will change patterns and the information on the compound that the UAV was able to ascertain this time will be unavailable next time. Ultimately, that could cost someone their life.

    (I understand that UAVs are common knowledge, but the fact that we have a National-level, of the stealth variety is not necessary to report this aspect of the raid. Too late now. Just like d*ck CNN reporter I posted above, another capability will be rendered ineffective at least temporarily.)
  5. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Hitler called for secrecy also, and he got it. Then, the jack-booted storm troopers kicked in the faces of any who dared to challenge the Fuhrer's authority. What couldn't be won with tactics was solved with brute force and a lot of ammunition. Today, if we speak out against our government, we are added to a fusion center database, cross referenced with the many gigabytes of information already on us, classified as a type of terrorist, and some are even black listed. No doubt we are harassed when pulled over, caught on every facial recognition street camera, tracked, and the first on the list to be culled.

    But, let's stick to the point of all this. Calling for national security only further empowers the government. The wars the United States is engaged in are unjustified, unconstitutional, but mostly, they are wars for profit and conquest. We have become the new Rome, even better than Hitler's failed Reich because we truly are perceived as "spreading democracy", which is a modern form of socialism.

    Let us look at the facts and see if this plea for added security adds up:

    --national security only adds greater power to the secret government
    --the corporate media is entirely controlled, so if they report on some "special" and sensitive matter and jeopardize "security", then they are only following orders from the same people who demand more national security in the first place.
    --national security cannot only be limited to the military because it is the military industrial complex who profit the most from this form of corruption in government. The corporations and the military have long been in bed with each other, which gives us our "war for profit" statement.
    --The government and the corporations (including the banking cartels) are one and the same, merging closer every day. Permitting the government to operate freely and without constraint, but also to never be questioned or held accountable for its actions (this is national security) is insanity.

    THIS IS (supposed to be) AMERICA, NOT NAZI GERMANY. (y)
    End the wars, remain neutral, concentrate on our own borders, stop feeding "terrorism", end the CIA reign of terror, end the FED, take down the IRS, get rid of the NSA, FEMA and all the other senseless alphabet agencies. Citizens start carrying more guns openly, put the police out of business. THAT is what needs to be done.
  6. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    A good CT is like a good Black Op - it can never be fully proven or disproven, to everyone's satisfaction. Brokor laments the lack of pics or video of OBL's death and burial..... would he take such 'evidence' as proof, or simply claim it's Photochopped? As a movie producer (Kubrick, I believe) once said, "If you can imagine it, you can film it."

    We'll all be discussing this one for years..... [stirpot]
  7. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    There is one issue with this argument- this is me saying this, not Adolf Hitler. I'm not a Fuhrer. I am just lowly me who happens to know the end result of this sort of thing.

    From your earlier post:
    If this is indeed your argument- that's great, discuss it at great length wherever you wish. That is the sort of discourse I encourage and is healthy for a democracy. It keeps everyone in check. The state's secrets I speak of are the sort that save American lives. They aren't critical to the discussion about the need or reason for the war. Not too long ago, Brokor, you were one of those lives that could be saved by capabilities being protected.
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  8. Cephus

    Cephus Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Man am I glad I was barefoot when I started reading this thread ,at least I didn't ruin boots and pair of socks !!

    My thanks to all the man and woman that assisted
    in the operation !!!
  9. bad_karma00

    bad_karma00 Monkey+

    I think we can just agree to disagree. :)
  10. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

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