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2011 troops to leave Iraq(?)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Tango3, Nov 18, 2008.

  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer


    <nyt_headline version="1.0" type=" "> Pact, Approved in Iraq, Sets Time for U.S. Pullout </nyt_headline>

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    <nyt_byline version="1.0" type=" "> By CAMPBELL ROBERTSON and STEPHEN FARRELL
    </nyt_byline> Published: November 16, 2008
    <!--NYT_INLINE_IMAGE_POSITION1 --> BAGHDAD — Iraq’s cabinet on Sunday overwhelmingly approved a proposed security agreement that calls for a full withdrawal of American forces from the country by the end of 2011. The cabinet’s decision brings a final date for the departure of American troops a significant step closer after more than five and a half years of war.
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    Iraqi policemen danced with a United States Army soldier in Baghdad on Sunday, the day Iraq’s cabinet approved a security pact.

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    Shiite Bloc Fails to Go to Meeting on Iraq-U.S. Pact (November 16, 2008)

    Car Bomb Kills 15 in Northern Iraq (November 16, 2008)

    Times Topics: Status of Forces Agreement


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    In Baghdad on Sunday, 27 of 28 members of Iraq’s cabinet present voted in favor of a new security pact with the United States.

    The proposed pact must still be approved by Iraq’s Parliament, in a vote scheduled to take place in a week. But leaders of some of the largest parliamentary blocs expressed confidence that with the backing of most Shiites and Kurds they had enough support to ensure its approval.
    Twenty-seven of the 28 cabinet ministers who were present at the two-and-a-half-hour session voted in favor of the pact. Nine ministers were absent. The nearly unanimous vote was a victory for the dominant Shiite party and its Kurdish partners. Widespread Sunni opposition could doom the proposed pact even if it has the votes to pass, as it would call into question whether there was a true national consensus, which Shiite leaders consider essential.
    The proposed agreement, which took nearly a year to negotiate with the United States, not only sets a date for American troop withdrawal, but puts new restrictions on American combat operations in Iraq starting Jan. 1 and requires an American military pullback from urban areas by June 30. Those hard dates reflect a significant concession by the departing Bush administration, which had been publicly averse to timetables.
    Iraq also obtained a significant degree of jurisdiction in some cases over serious crimes committed by Americans who are off duty and not on bases.
    In Washington, the White House welcomed the vote as “an important and positive step” and attributed the agreement itself to security improvements in
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    There is always a "yeah, but" hiding in such "agreements." Can't help wondering what they are in this one.
  3. RouteClearance

    RouteClearance Monkey+++ Site Supporter

    My thoughts exactly. After witnessing Iraq first hand, the only way that the Shia majority can keep the Sunni population under control is by brutal suppression; the way the Bathist Sunni's under Sadam controled the Shia.

    All we have done is to replace one bully with another bully that is a lot stronger. What will or might happen after we pull out is anybodys guess, but it will not be pretty. As for the "might happen", highly unlikely.
  4. jash

    jash Monkey+++

    Don't forget the Kurds. The Shia and Sunni both dislike the Kurds and the area the Kurds are in is oil rich. Iran and Turkey have their armies going into Iraq fighting them every couple of weeks.
  5. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    For now, the Kurds and Shia are allied to the extent of a coalition in parliament. Both were suppressed by the Sunni before we got involved. What happens later is anybody's guess, but the Kurds have been agitating for independence since before the dawn of time. They simply haven't managed intertribal agreements as to who was their enemy other than Sunnis regardless of nationality. I think.

    Anyway, the cross border skirmishes by Turks is supposedly based on suppression of insurgents using Kurdish territory as hideouts. I think we know about such things in the 'stans. Dunno what Iran is using for an excuse.
  6. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    What truly will be frightening is if the Sunni and the Shia actually do get together as "Buddies" Then Iran will see a fertile ground to extend the branch of "Peace". Then we can kiss Israel goodbye.
  7. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Either that or nearly all the sand will become glass. [troll]
  8. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    Oh believe me i know that problem, That will be a dangerous time when the new map of the middle east comes to be, a huge Char mark...
  9. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Don't need a hint of a reason...
    We aint leavin.
    Huge permanent bases and the largest"u.s. embassy"in the world. We've got all our toys in the sandbox, why haul em home.
  10. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Why would we want to?
  11. toemag

    toemag Monkey++

    Although I don't think that the Iraqi people are a bad lot, they do have some short comings in the morals department, and they will carry on killing themselves, I say carry on because they never really stopped, and our troops being there hasn't stopped them, if anything they have gotten a whole lot better (as in more efficient) than they ever were.

    I think that if there were no oil WMD'S involved we would have moved on after the end of the war.

    Has anyone here spared a thought for the following, Maybe they need the Bullying to live, sort of a National S/M role play.

    Anyway I'm pissed off at the powers that be repeatedly sending our troops over there as training aides for Ali to play with.

    Pull out as of today lock stock and barrel, leave them to it. Send the ones that are in our midst back to where they came from and let their families/tribes/gov. take care of them they can have the religion and the legal system of their choice in their own country.

    Lets stop meddling in their internal affairs, we wouldn't tolerate it.

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