Flu 22 Million Cases of Swine Flu in U.S.

Discussion in 'Survival Medicine' started by TillamookTom, Nov 13, 2009.

  1. TillamookTom

    TillamookTom Monkey++

    Any y'all read the article about 22 million of us Americans being infected with this Swine flu bug? I think it was on a page at http://flureports.blogspot.com Anyway, it mentions stats on the H1N1 bug and how people are getting sick and all that crap. Hope y'all are ready for this thing because it sure looks like it is spreading. Just need to be vigilant and be prepared as always with proper supplies.
  2. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Saw a TV report - it's all guesswork. Florida stopped testing specifically for H1N1 early on - any symptoms were treated as simply 'flu' unless complications required further testing. So, records are nowhere nearly accurate. They are guesstimating. [stirpot]

    Many folks who had mild cases were not even counted - I had what may or may not have been the flu - missed two days work, stayed home, never saw a sawbones.
  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Only a few possibilities now exist: Either the release of another "strain", but this time more deadly and effective -or this same one can turn out to be catastrophic. Another possibility is that all which is really required is the hype and the scare tactics in order to condition people and remind them how much they "need" their government for protection and inoculations.
  4. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    22 million currently active, or for the year so far? Statistics ---
  5. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Local news report said that the death rate here is less than the annual rate for normal flu.
    I still think it is much ado about nothing. Smoke and mirrors.
  6. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    More "Hype and chains" from the 'bummer camp....... [lolol]
  7. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Va. teen suffers rare illness after swine flu shot

    A 14-year-old Virginia boy is weak and struggling to walk after coming down with a reported case of Guillain-Barre syndrome within hours after receiving the H1N1 vaccine for swine flu.

    Jordan McFarland, a high school athlete from Alexandria, Va., left Inova Fairfax Hospital for Children Tuesday night in a wheelchair nearly a week after developing severe headaches, muscle spasms and weakness in his legs following a swine flu shot. He will likely need the assistance of a walker for four to six weeks, plus extensive physical therapy.

    "The doctor said I’ll recover fully, but it’s going to take some time," the teenager said.

  8. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Makes a couple days of sniffles, coughing and fever seem positively benign...... :rolleyes:
  9. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    You may be right on target. Here's two recent articles.

    China expert warns of pandemic flu mutation

    Zhong Nanshan, director of the Guangzhou Institute of Respiratory Diseases in China's southern Guangdong province, said the presence of both viruses in China meant they could mix and become a monstrous hybrid -- a bug packed with strong killing power that can transmit efficiently among people.

    "China, as you know, is different from other countries. Inside China, H5N1 has been existing for some time, so if there is really a reassortment between H1N1 and H5N1, it will be a disaster," Zhong said in an interview with Reuters Television.

    "This is something we need to monitor, the change, the mutation of the virus. This is why reporting of the death rate must be really transparent."

    The World Health Organization warned on Tuesday that H5N1 had erupted in poultry in Egypt, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam, posing once again a threat to humans.

    "First, it places those in direct contact with birds -- usually rural folk and farm workers -- at risk of catching the often-fatal disease. Second, the virus could undergo a process of "reassortment" with another influenza virus and produce a completely new strain," it said.

    "The most obvious risk is of H5N1 combining with the pandemic ... (H1N1) virus, producing a flu virus that is as deadly as the former and as contagious as the latter."

    Zhong told the Chinese media last week that China may have had more H1N1 flu deaths than it has reported, with some local governments possibly concealing suspect cases.

    The doctor is known for his candor and work in fighting Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome in 2003, when nationwide panic and international alarm erupted after it emerged that officials hid or underplayed the spreading epidemic.

    Cover-ups by local governments in 2003 during the SARS epidemic led to the sackings of several officials. More than 300 people died in that outbreak.

    China, the world's most populous country, has reported around 70,000 cases of H1N1 and 53 death from the virus.

    While some regions simply lack the technology to test for H1N1, other areas have been treating deaths as cases of ordinary pneumonia without a question, Zhong said.

    "Some local healthcare authorities are reluctant, unwilling to test patients with severe pneumonia because there's some latent rule which says the more H1N1 deaths, the less effective the control and prevention work in your area," Zhong said.

    Zhong said China's health minister Chen Zhu rang him up last week and agreed with his views. A notice then appeared on the ministry's website threatening severe punishment for officials caught concealing deaths from H1N1 swine flu.

    WHO reported more than 526,060 laboratory confirmed cases of H1N1 worldwide on November 15, with at least 6,770 deaths. However, it has stressed for months now that the figures were only the tip of the iceberg.

    It urged countries to place more resources on mitigating the disease rather then on costly prevention measures or testing everyone. All WHO and the U.S. CDC will say is that "millions" have been infected.
    Troubling Reports Out Of Iowa And North Carolina Raise Fears That Deadly H1N1 Swine Flu Mutations Have Already Reached The United States

    New reports from Iowa and North Carolina are raising concerns that the deadly H1N1 swine flu mutations that have been confirmed by the WHO in Ukraine, Norway and elsewhere have already reached the United States. In Iowa, a report that doctors are seeing "very heavy, wet hemorrhagic lungs, lungs with a lot of blood in them" in H1N1 patients is creating concerns among health experts that the deadly Ukraine H1N1 has already spread there. In addition, a report of Tamiflu-resistant H1N1 swine flu in North Carolina is raising questions about the ability of medical authorities to combat H1N1 if thousands of people do start dying. If deadly H1N1 swine flu mutations have already reached the United States, what does that mean? Doctors in Ukraine have been reporting that victims of H1N1 there are experiencing violent hemorrhaging in their lungs. As the patients near death, their lungs reportedly become as "black as charcoal" and literally begin to disintegrate. Will this start happening soon inside the U.S.?

    The news report causing the most concern today is the one about H1N1 patients in Iowa. Commenting on a dramatic spike in H1N1 deaths in Iowa, Dr. Gregory Schmunk told KCCI news that what doctors there are seeing "is very heavy, wet hemorrhagic lungs, lungs with a lot of blood in them."

    Hemorrhagic lungs that are filled with blood?

    That sounds precisely like what is taking place in Ukraine.

    Last week, the WHO confirmed that an H1N1 mutation had been discovered in Ukraine. This H1N1 mutation involved a receptor binding domain change, and it is apparently causing the H1N1 virus to become much more virulent.

    Just like the new report in Iowa, many victims of H1N1 in Ukraine have been experiencing violent hemorrhaging in the lungs. Temperatures inside the lungs of patients in Ukraine have been reported to be as high as 135 degrees Fahrenheit. As the patient near death, the lungs turn to mush and literally become as black as charcoal.

    In fact, one doctor in Western Ukraine was quoted as saying the following about what is happening to the lungs of these patients.....

    "We have carried out post mortems on two victims and found their lungs are as black as charcoal. They look like they have been burned. It’s terrifying."

    If that wasn't bad enough, the WHO has now confirmed that the same H1N1 mutation has shown up in Norway.

    Norway's Institute of Public Health has released a statement in which they announced that this mutation "could possibly...cause more severe disease" because it apparently infects tissue deeper in the airway than usual.

    Not only that, but today Hong Kong's Department of Health has confirmed that it has found the same mutation in a H1N1 flu virus sample as the one detected in Norway recently.

    Hong Kong is on the other side of the world from Ukraine and Norway.

    What in the world is going on?

    Nobody knows for sure, but the truth is that the increasing similarities between the current H1N1 outbreak and the 1918 "Spanish flu" outbreak are becoming too striking to ignore.

    Firstly, both the current outbreak and the 1918 Spanish flu are from the H1N1 family.

  10. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Hm. The infection trend is down, and only just now vaccine production is getting up on the step. And now a new strain?
  11. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Yup. It makes people think that the gov't actually works. It's all news, nothing is real.

    Swine flu drops = relax a little before the next scare arrives.

    NOTHING NEW - http://www.holistic-helper.com/articles/articlevaccinecaused1918flu.htm It's just the same old flu being re-engineered.

    Ads from 1976: YouTube- Swine Flu 1976 Commercial ITS BACK
    Swine flu shots being mandated in the 70's. It was eventually recalled. Same types of deaths occurred. Strange? Nope.

    Swine flu warnings from 1976: YouTube- PT 1 60 Minutes Swine Flu Vaccine Warning

    You can do more research on your own. Remember: you are slaves unless you refuse to OBEY.
  12. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Stay informed, watch television.
  13. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Well, a month down the road, and it looks like the Mexican Flu has stalled for now. Need to watch it though - Spring may bring a resurgence!

    I have been taking a regimen of vitamins and supplements for many months now - have not gotten my usual winter cold. I ALWAYS get the winter sniffles, especially the Florida winter where it can be frigid a few days, then warm and rainy - plays havoc with us down here!
    I think I am onto something here!
    Hope it helps ward off the flu too - so far so good!
  14. medstud

    medstud Just a pilgrim

    There is no doubt that someone is making money on this swine flu. The question is whether it is legitimate or not. It seems to me that the pandemic we need to worry about is ignorance. It gets difficult finding reliable sources of information on this topic. Everyone has an opinion and that seems to be only source of information most people have.

    I think history can prove that vaccines work, but the chance to get rich, or abuse the trust of the people on the back of others' successes would seem to be too great of a temptation to some people.

    I like what I hear on this forum as the general trend of thought; to be cautious and to take all precautions, which include all preventive measures.
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