48 Hours on FLDS

Discussion in 'Tin Foil Hat Lounge' started by monkeyman, May 27, 2008.

  1. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I just watched the 48 Hours show on the FLDS. Aside from the fact that it was clear as to their opinion on it, they had 2 girls they interviewed who had 'escaped' at 16 years old. They had interviews and footage of them at 16, then brought up that they had run away 9 years ago and had some interviews with them now. What I found rather interesting was the 'fact' that they had all this footage from 9 years ago and now and the footage quality/appearance didnt change, the types of clothes and hair didnt change, the only thing that changed was the girls looked similar but different.

    Did anyone else watch this? Did it seem odd to anyone else the way the part with the 2 girls didnt add up to have been covered for 9 years to show now? Maybe its just me but seems to scream propaganda.
  2. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    OK, I'll bite: what the hell is FLDS?
  3. Rarius

    Rarius Monkey++

    Fundamental church of Later Day Saints.
  4. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    The Texas compound that 400 children were removed from.
  5. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    AKA poligamyst mormons. They are the ones in Texas where after a false report of a woman being abused and raped by her spiritual husband (married in the church but not on paper) the child protective services went in and took ALL the children from everyone in the comunity includeing pregnant women and took the infants when born. Even after more than a month of investigation they havent been able to come up with enouph to even charge anyone with anything and have found the person who called claiming to be the abused/raped 16 year old girl and arrested her for fileing a false report but still wont return the kids.

    Something else I found interesting was the way the show claimed they were on welfare and such. One of the things that has supposedly been such a huge problem for gov folks is that very few of the people have birth certificates (home births) or social security cards/numbers. I have never known of people to be ABLE to get so much as food stamps without presenting ID and a SS# when applying so have to wonder which part of this is BS (if not both) since the 2 claims tend to be mutualy exclusive.
  6. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

    This is industrial child theft. This is not the first time CPS has over stepped their bounds. I'll bet they had a plane ready to fly them out of the country until they got caught. They need to be charged with kidnapping and using a gun in the commission of a crime. Half of them are pediphiles.
  7. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Should see the illegal Mexicans drawing welfare here and having a drivers license to boot with no ID.
    The two Girls were 16 and they waited 9 years.....= over 18 years of age and can be filmed and put on TV.
  8. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    The illegals HAVE IDs, they just happen to be stolen/fake. If these folks had presented false IDs then it would be all over the media and they would be going after for them on it.

    On the girls in the inrterview, it just seemed odd to me that they had all the footage and had been following it 9 years before the group was news. Also, the clothes and cars and such (while I could be wrong) in the footage that was from when they were 16 didnt look 'dated', like when you watch shows from 10-15 years ago and the hair styles, clothes and film all looks like strange flash backs.

    Like I say, could be wrong but seemed 'off'.
  9. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I am telling you they don't have Id's here MM they get free housing have migrant workers apartments,they are big places they also get food stamps etc. all with NO ID.
    Ask Melbo he's got to see it now.

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    all you can read about it, they dont need ID out here.
  10. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Ok, maybe an illegal Mexican dont but how many white Americans can manage it? I figured they would just ignore the IDs done in crayon for illegals so they werent being 'racists' by refuseing handouts to criminals who happened to be hispanic but apparently they may go even further on it. I still figure that the folks I have known (happened to be mostly white and all Americans) who had applied for public assistance had to show SS cards at LEAST on each person being claimed and often a birth certificate was also required even to get food stamps.
  11. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    yep same here if i went in , i wouldn't get it, if the mex does they get it every time, its a sad world we live in.
  12. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    That was my main point on it, that even if they make exceptions for illegal mexicans I havent seen any of the FLDS they have shown that would pass for Mexicans so figure they would be subject to the rules requireing them to present ID in the form of a SS card and possibly also a birth certificate for each person on claims for food stamps or welfare and that dont fit with the claims they dont have birth certificates or ss#s on most of them but that they are supposedly on gov aid.
  13. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Yea I know that is your point
    , but you said:"The illegals HAVE IDs they just happen to be stolen/fake. "

    When they don't need any ID at all out here never have. is my point.
    so it is a do-able thing and different depending on where you live, so in my mind anything is possible.
  14. nightshade7206

    nightshade7206 Monkey+++

    OK, back to FLDS I unfortunately missed the peace. But I don't like the feeling I get from this entire thing. Regardless of my opinion on the FLDS members, I believe an incredible injustice has occurred.
  15. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    True, I was assumeing the departments were less blatant about it and simply ignored the fact that 20 of the Mexicans comeing in on a day was named Bill Omally and had the same SS# and the IDs done in crayon. I figure if your part of the right groups I could see that easier and just assumed that was the same way they were doing it there for them since had always heard down here that that info had to be on the form inorder for it to even be able to go into the system.
  16. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I agree and I truely HOPE there is a heavey toll paid by all involved. Knowing that is not likely I am simply left what group will be next and who will be left to speak when they come for me.
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