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50 die in Fla

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by enloopious, Jun 13, 2016.

  1. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    If I gotta stop this car, both @ghrit and @kellory are gonna get it!
  2. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    :lol: [applaud][applaud][applaud][applaud]
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  3. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    Now back on subject.........

    How many times have we all, us nice clear thinking conservatives complained during a tragedy that the left fails to look at the problem and focuses on the guns. We are doing the same thing. We know they want to limit our fire power and our ownership. We commentators on Fox News calling for gun control. This is a huge flag. But what are we failing to look at? What are we not looking at in this tragedy?

    1. We have a man known to the FBI. Interviewed by the FBI and was able to cry racial profiling and they backed off.
    2. We have a man who was known to the FBI that worked for a security firm that worked for a company doing government contracts. This man had special licenses.
    3. News just came out that the FBI will not be pursuing charges against the wife, why was clear as day and accomplice.
    4. Here is the biggie IMO- it took the police 3 hours to enter that building. THREE hours. Columbine had a three hour response. Not only was it 3 hours but when they bust a hole through the wall the gun man came out. The police also shot patrons of the bar.

    Three hours. Only once since Columbine has there been a 3 hour response. Police and HRT/Swat trains to cut these situations down./ They train to respond quick.

    I was listening to Laura Ingram this morning and she was interviewing a police chief from somewhere. She gently questioned the 3 hour response. The police chief said he would not question what the Orlando response team did. Ingram then went on to say that in the past she had been against local police forces having military type equipment but after this weekend she was glad that they did. Folks, it took them 3 hours to get their militarized toy over there and ram a wall. Yes, I am questioning the response. Had the HRT/SWAT team responded as they are trained to do, the body count would be a lot lower and the national outrage over guns would not be as intense.

    I do not know what to think but seems really odd to me.
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  4. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    At that time of night, the SWAT team was probably on two hour recall. I could be wrong but doubt Orlando had a team sitting in a ready room waiting for an emergency.

    Just one more reason to have all citizens carry, an armed society is a polite society.
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  5. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Don't worry, they'll wait until the vet's from WW2, Korea and Vietnam pass on.
    Nothing more dangerous than a grumpy old man, with skills, materials and knowing the end is near and .....
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  6. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    Thank goodness it is after business hours because I have an urge to call them and ask.
  7. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    We'll see how "glad they are" when we see the final tally of friendly fire casualties...if we see it.
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  8. T. Riley

    T. Riley Monkey+++ Site Supporter++

  9. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    ISIL claims responsibility for shooting

    ISIL takes credit for mass shooting in Orlando
    ISIS Announced Florida Threat THREE Days Ago: "We Will Attack Florida"

    Does it bother anyone else that ISIS, ISIL, IS, or what ever the hell their name is keeps changing their name? Are they trying to make it sound scarier... because it doesn't. It this what their publicity team has been working on these past years? Its total BS. ISIS/ISIL is run by the CIA. I don't have any proof yet but when I get it I am sure as hell going to post it because there are a lot of things that really smell funny with that group. Just you wait til I get my proof.
  10. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Let me put it this way....there are a lot of competing interests trying to control the narrative here. You really can't completely trust anything you read...it all has a slant from various interests.

    I too believe Daesh (I like that name best) was created, trained and equipped by one or more factions in our country and elsewhere...and they still own and operate them to some point.
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  11. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    This guy called 911 three times plus posted on facebook and this is still all about gun control. He told the world multiple times that this was an act of terrorism but the administration, MSM and Hillary refuse to listen. [hearno]
  12. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    it don't fit their agenda I guess?
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  13. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Ok I gotta play devil's advocate on this. If he had been a white Christian and called in claiming he did this because he hated gays and hated the US for allowing gay lifestyles, would he still be a terrorist?
  14. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Of course @chimo .... He would be one of those Male, White, Christian, Homophobic, Bigited, Domestic Terrorists... that Hate what the Country has become....
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  15. T. Riley

    T. Riley Monkey+++ Site Supporter++

    The Senate will vote on expanded gun control soon. I know individuals get added to the terrorist watch list in error simply because of a common name. But, don't you think the FBI could have been notified that this guy had purchased a semi-auto by some means? I don't think anyone should be added to the list without a court order of some kind, then notified and given a hearing within 30 days where the state has to prove he/she was a danger to society by action or threat. I believe in free speech, but when that speech threatens or advocates taking another's life it has crossed the line. I can call you a SOB and say I wish you dead all day long, but when I threaten to kill you, or advocate others do, I have gone too far. I have a good friend that was driving in a fatal DWI and he can't own a gun for the rest of his life. He's a nice guy, honest, hard working, married with a great family and has not had a drink in 10 years. I would trust him with my life, he just made one very bad mistake. Why was the Orlando shooter allowed to buy one without someone being notified, immediately? Its crap like that which provides fodder for the hate gun crowd. We cannot deport all the evil that is among us. Hell, we can't even monitor the one we know are bad. The battle field is here and the war has just begun. Many more will die in America before this ends.
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  16. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    You are correct. That kid that shot up the church in NC was labeled a domestic terrorist.
  17. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Hm. Interesting side question. "Terrorists, Foreign and/or Domestic." Is there a functional difference?
  18. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    depends on what axe you got to grind
  19. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    EASY question. My axe thirsts for terrorists, no matter what flavor.
  20. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    not you, you...you. The other you...the general kind.

    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, another man's criminal, another man's misunderstood waif, another man's opportunity to make political hay. Just look at how many interests, some similar, some diametrically opposed, are attempting to spin the actions of this mutt to their own ends.
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