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50 die in Fla

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by enloopious, Jun 13, 2016.

  1. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    FULL REPORT: Father of Orlando Shooter is Long-time CIA Asset

    The Orlando Shooting. Many things are just not right with this story, including the father of the alleged shooter Omar Mateen, an Afghan-American, Seddique Mateen, who is closely linked to some of the most powerful leaders and agencies in Washington DC.

    Below is a photo of Omar’s father after a meeting at the US State Dept. in Washington DC where he met with “officials”, but oddly, no log of his visit is available in the public record.

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  2. john316

    john316 Monkey+++

    400 cell phones nothing on utube
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  3. Legion489

    Legion489 Rev. 2:19 Banned

    Interesting. Somethings that were "reported" but never seemed to make it past one airing:

    The killer did NOT have or use an AR-15.

    MOST of the 49 (or 50 or whatever, like Waco we have a number but no one wants to use the real one) sheeple killed were NOT killed by the terrorist (and there is considerable evidence it was another false flag) but according to the autopsies, they were killed by the po-lice. Help me, I'm blee(BAM!), Is it save to come out no(BAM!), Oh it's the po-lice, we are sa(BAM!), Oh my God! Are you sho(BAM!). Run! The cops are sho(BAM!)(BAM!)(BAM!)(BAM!)(BAM!)(BAM!)(BAM!)(BAM!)(BAM!)(BAM!)(BAM!) "Anyone else alive in here?" I a(BAM!) Is it safe to co(BAM!)

    Hillary at a private fund raiser said she would ban the 2nd Amend anyway she could, sign an ex order or just put her pet gun hater on the Supreme Court (and maybe "retire" a few more the same way the last one "retired" and stack the deck). These people have NO shame OR fairness in them, they are simply mad dogs running in the streets that everyone is too afraid to do anything about.
  4. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Your telling ME, that the Cops & SWAT were NOT using AR15's??? You say that many of the Dead were killed by the Cops... I have seen NO CREDITABLE Reporting, that that is the case... When the Cororners Report comes out, that matches the Killing Projectiles to the FireArms used at the scene, get back to us with the FACTS... Until then it is ALL, TOTAL Speculation, by the folks who have NO FACTS....
  5. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    All the mystery of the "three hours" hasn't gone away, either. At least until someone remembers the negotiations going on after the initial spree was interrupted by a phone call. Lots of minds have snapped shut, so it seems.
  6. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Seems to this observer, that the only "Minds" that have snapped shut, are those that have an Agenda, they are pushing.... They will be " Long Gone" back to obscurity, by the time the FACTS ON THE MATTER, are finally released to the Public... Because they couldn't stand having to "Eat their Words" because their conclusions were NOT based in the Released FACTS....
  7. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Wouldn't if be nice if everyone hunted for facts rather than jumping to conclusions based on rumors? Society just can't wait for facts ---
  8. AD1

    AD1 Monkey+++

    The WH and JD are allready redacting his comments to 911 and removing any mention of ISIS or thier leader. Loretta siad this yesterday on the Sunday talk shows.

    Said it was to limit revictiumizing those killed or injured.

    Rewriting history one page at a time......
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  9. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Hmm, let me see.

    -- Police try to blow hole in wall and fail (odds are no casualties caused).
    -- Police use armored vehicle to punch hole in wall (some potential for casualties)
    -- Hostages AND gunman try escaping through hole in wall. Gunman is shooting as he does, police return fire (real potential for friendly fire casualties)
    -- No details on any exchanges of gunfire between police and gunman prior to his holing up in bathroom (so won't speculate on potential for casualties)

    It's pretty obvious that there were probably some friendly-fire casualties, even using my conservative assumptions above based on the facts that we know. Even the police chief admits there may have been some friendly-fire casualties: Orlando Police Chief: Some Victims May Have Been Hit by Police
  10. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

  11. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Just remember that the first casualty of conflict is typically the truth.
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  12. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    Exactly. And I do wonder if we will ever know that number. If the number is high, chances are we will never get the true number.
  13. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Interesting that on the National News, last night, the Police Chief stated, that NONE of the Dead were killed by ANYONE but the Shooter, with the exception of the Shooter, and that was confirmed by Ballistics.... So much for the Speculations....
  14. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I saw that as well. So, if the Chief is to be believed --- (We will hear soon, methinks, from those that have serious doubts. My doubts are not so intense, AND I'm willing to wait until the coroner's report is available.)
  15. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Yeah, changing his story with an obvious lie makes him even more credible. :rolleyes:

    Show us these ballistics reports...should be interesting reading considering that the autopsies have not been completed. Talk about speculation.
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  16. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I'm less sure it's a lie than many will be, he may have forensic data not yet out here. That said, the ballistics reports oughta be interesting. How do you tell the difference between a cop's 556 and the perp's 556? Easy if you have a bullet comparator and LOTS of time --
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  17. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    The officials have already proven they are going to lie. The DOJ got caught changing the word Allah to God then had to change it back. These people are going to use this to push their agenda. Focus on the guns and do not wonder why another bad guy gets the green light from the government. Boston, San Bernardino and Orlando..... how many more???
  18. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    All of the casualties were not from bullet wounds. According to their own words, they probably hurt some people when they finally managed to breach the wall, after botching it twice. Then there is the mad rush through the breech...that's a shtf moment there where I am sure we'll see some friendly fire casualties. When you have a shtf moment, the s doesn't discriminate where it lands, ya know. Even the best trained troops are going to have a whoopsie when being rushed by dozens of scared people and one armed mutt. The Chief is correct that all casualties are on the mutt's head...but that won't change the fact that the good guys didn't inadvertently cause a few themselves.

    Thank God there was only one barely competent shooter...and that we are not being hit be trained teams of shooters. Not only would a trained assault team cause a LOT more damage themselves...they would cause a lot more friendly fire casualties too.

    This mutt may have been a "radical jihadist" but he wasn't a part of some organized and trained group of mutts like Daesh, he was just a pissed-off wannabe. If Daesh ever gets off the CIA leash, they'll hit us with teams in multiple places at varying times. Remember the craziness and panic when the beltway snipers were on the loose? A couple of weeks of trained terror teams hitting us would threaten the economy and give Barry an excuse to invoke emergency powers.

    Meh, I am rambling. Beddy bye time. Night all.
  19. Salted Weapon

    Salted Weapon Monkey+++

    This will be a typical spinned event, all fact, persons, times and participants will be revolved around and around until the sheep are so dizzy they accept the end result of bullsh*t.
    There are current facts, there are known facts and then there are what the government calls fact. Usually these are polar opposites.
    Locally here at UCC 2 miles from my house, I watched first hand being here and hearing all the screwed up wrong wrong wrong facts. I watched TV why the Communist in Chief mis-quoted every fact of the local shooting. To this day most of America only knows about 90% of what really happened here. The FBI went away, news cameras too and know one cares what real facts have come out.
    I have a whole different view then I had prior to UCC. There is what they tell the people and then there is what happened, I expected lies but these are whoppers to the people where it happens.
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  20. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    1. I do not trust corporate government (or any government for that matter).
    2. I especially do not trust militarized corporate police.
    3. I am not stupid enough to trust the corporate media.

    It's pretty safe to bet that I won't be listening in on the "official" narrative any time soon. I already know what happened, and that's why it's so sad to see people arguing over it. If you actually require "facts" from the tyrant, chances are you're doing it wrong. This event was just as real as Sandy Hook, OKC, WTC in the 90's and later in 2001, 7-7 London, anthrax attacks, and the list goes on and on...

    “A history of false flag attacks used to manipulate the minds of the people! “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule.”
    ― Friedrich Nietzsche

    42 ADMITTED False Flag Attacks

    Here's a thought. It's reported as the "deadliest shooting in U.S. history" --but most folks can't even remember history if they believe that.

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