80 percenters under attack.

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by VisuTrac, Dec 14, 2020.


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  1. Gun Owners of America

    10 vote(s)
    41.7%
  2. National Rifle Association

    19 vote(s)
    79.2%
  3. National Shooting Sports Foundation

    2 vote(s)
    8.3%
  4. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

    2 vote(s)
    8.3%
  5. Firearms Policy Coalition

    1 vote(s)
    4.2%
  6. Other (please list in comment)

    4 vote(s)
    16.7%
  7. USCCA

    3 vote(s)
    12.5%
  8. OFF (Oregon Firearms Foundation)

    2 vote(s)
    8.3%
  9. SAF (Second Amendment Foundation)

    2 vote(s)
    8.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Well, it appears that Polymer 80 was raided by the ATF. Brownells and Midway were also visited.
    What where they grabbing? Sales records.

    So, if you bought a Polymer 80 'Buy, Build, Shoot kit'

    And there is now anecdotal evidence that buyers of such kits are now receiving visits from the ATF as well.

    Now, I'm not a lawyer, but if the ATF rolls up and asks you if you bought a kit, don't lie and say no as you can now be arrested for obstruction ... just state you are not answering any questions without a lawyer present. And then just shut up. Respond to all questions with 'Lawyer' or no response at all.

    I'm also betting that Pistol braces are on the hit list too.
    I wonder if they have the list of those that bought bump stocks. I bet they do now.
     
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  2. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I wanted a g19 clone kit but they were always sold out.
     
  3. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    Where is Henry Bowman when you need him? ;)
     
  4. Macgyver

    Macgyver Monkey+

    I do believe it's time to feed the hogs
     
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  5. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    I see there are 3 votes for other in the poll.
    can those that voted other please post those groups here in the thread?
    I've re-upped my memberships in GAO and FPC already.
    Thinking about adding JFPOF and maybe others to my donation list. It's a very important time !!
     
  6. cpaspr

    cpaspr Monkey+++

    Not necessarily that 80%ers were under attack, though I'm not discounting it, especially if Brownell's and Midway got visited IN CONJUNTION with the Polymer 80 raid.

    What I read was that Polymer 80 was selling 100% guns without the paperwork. Not saying it's true, just what I read.
     
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  7. madmax

    madmax Far right. Bipolar. Veteran. Don't push me.

    "I can't remember if I have any of those sir."
    "Do you expect us to believe that?"
    "I can't remember why I went into the other room this morning... and that was the bathroom. So that would be a yes."
     
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  8. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

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  9. AD1

    AD1 Monkey+++

    USCCA US CONCEALED CARRY ASSOCIATION.
    Life time NRA member from 10 years ago when they had clout
    Its my CCW insurance carrier.
     
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  10. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    I am willing to bet that if the BATFE tried to take any of these cases to Federal Court, they would find that they were NOT able to prove the case to any reasonable jury... 80% is still 80% and even if all the Jigs, Drills and Tooling were sold with the 80% Receiver, unless it had additional machining done before it was sold, it is still just a chunk of material, and NOT a FireArm, under Federal Statutes... The question is and always will be, “ Who has the money and time to challenge BATFE in Federal Court?”
     
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  11. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    not 100 percent guns.
    What they are offering for sale was a box with everything in it to build a gun after you finish machined the frame. No different than going in to your local gun store, buying a 80 percent lower, a LPK, a barrel, a slide and assorted springs and some drill bits.

    Not a gun until you manufacture it.

    I'm also wondering that with their info grab if they also got a list of those that bought bump stocks, binary triggers and pistol braces as well.
     
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  12. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    P80 needs a "go fund me".
    Because the gun control act actually spelled out what is and what is not a gun pretty clearly.
     
  13. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    But those commie bastards at "go fund me" will not let money be collected for anything patriotic.
     
  14. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

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  15. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    The problem is that the current crop of batfees were not taught how to read above the "see spot run" level.
     
  16. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    I have to wonder if Freedom Munition's data hack was actually the feds...
     
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  17. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    well if it was, they took credit card data as well.
    But it was also earlier than the latest ATF shenanigans.
     
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  18. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    Sorry, I was distracted by something shiny...
    I have my Amazon Smile account set to support SAF (Second Amendment Foundation), which is Washington States gun rights group. Had it not been for them Washington would be worse off than California. Every time I buy from Amazon they get a small donation.

    Our local Kroger's outfit (Fred Meyer) also has a donation program. In this case I donate to OFF (Oregon Firearms Foundation), which is Oregon's version of SAF. Unfortunately smaller than SAF.

    Whoops - is that something shi.....
     
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  19. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    added your groups to the choices.
     
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  20. madmax

    madmax Far right. Bipolar. Veteran. Don't push me.

    The atf is going to have to hire a BUNCH of new agents or they will be a bunch of busy beavers.
     
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