A California grandfather helped stop the attempted kidnapping of one of his grandchildren

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by DKR, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    AUBURN, Calif. -- A California grandfather helped stop the attempted kidnapping of one of his grandchildren at a park on Saturday.

    The grandfather and his two grandkids were near a duck pond at Ashford Park when police say Lindsay Frasher came up to them.

    "Ms. Frasher approached one of the children, called her by a different name and tried to take her," said Sergeant Gary Hopping with the Auburn Police Department.

    Frasher allegedly wrapped her arms around the 3-year-old's body, according to investigators, but the victim's grandpa fought back.

    "It was a tug of war over the little girl," said Hopping.

    The grandpa and others who saw what happened kept Frasher at the park until the Auburn Police Department got there. Police said the 28-year-old wasn't known to the family. They don't believe she was under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

    Investigators couldn't say if Frasher suffers from mental illness.

    Frasher is behind bars at the Placer County Jail, charged with kidnapping.

    FOX40 put in an request with the Placer County Jail to interview Frasher and was told she's unavailable for interviews until she's housed in the proper location.

    My DW askd what I would have done (the fellow in the report played tug of war).

    I said the corner would have to decide what caused the women's death - her throat being ripped out or her head being mushed.... I love to take my grand-kiddos out and about. Anybody that tries anything like this report will be in hospital at a minimum.

    What would you do?
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  2. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    There is no end to the ways and means at my disposal to stop such a threat to my loved ones!
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  3. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    I would have the Perp, on the ground, face down, with their hands on their head, and my Browning HiPower pointing at their Head, until the LAW arrived... " Move a Muscle, and you Will be meeting your Maker !!!" Kidnapping is a Federal Capital Crime...
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  4. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I carry. Kidnapping is a capital crime. Questions?
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  5. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    What would chello do?

    Stop the kidnap attempt.
    Apprehend the culprit, using such proportionate force as is necessary to stop the abduction and take the perp into custody,
    Call 000 or 911 or whatever is the emergency assistance number is,
    Render any necessary first aid, when it is safe to do so, to the victim, self and the perp, without exposing myself to any uneccesary risks.
    Protect the crime scene until LEOs turn up. Handover custody of the perp to the LEO in charge.

    Taking the law into my own hands to deliver summary justice may only serve to separate me from my grandchild at a time when we are most in need of each other.

    NB: Australia is not a capital punishment jurisdiction.
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  6. JLRhiner

    JLRhiner Stranger in the Modern World

    Once I stop the kidnapping, can I play with them a bit?
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  7. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu RIP 4/19/2018

    Hey! Stop! That's my grand(BOOM BOOM BOOM)daughter!

    Want to test for mental illness? Stir your finger around in that goo to your hearts content.
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  8. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I'm surprised that California isn't prosecuting the grandfather. After all, stopping the kidnapping of his granddaughter is "taking the law into his own hands." Under the political left's perverted sense of justice, he has no right to do that.
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  9. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    If you drop the hammer on a slime make sure you get your reason correct and consistent most likely you will be sued by the slime bags relatives, he was a great guy great father sure he was in prison but he was back on the right track never mind the crack in his pocket and pistol in his hand.

    I was in fear of my life.
    He had the means to kill me.
    If you call 911 leave the phone on while you yell I WAS ATTACKED STOP DROP THE GUN/KNIFE STOP OR I WILL SHOOT I HAVE CALLED THE POLICE STOP.....

    Don't shoot him in the back that is a hard one to get past most folks who are to stupid to get out of jury duty.
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  10. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

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  11. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    Another story, along the same vein:

    According to police, the incident happened shortly after 9 a.m. Jan. 6 near the University of Washington.

    Secchia, who was in Seattle to attend another grandchild's baptism, said he had driven to the area with the 3-year-old, Althea "Thea" Aslanian, to buy her a cinnamon bun for breakfast. He said he parked the car about 10 storefronts away from the bakery and began walking in the rain with Thea, who was wearing a red raincoat and carrying a red plastic umbrella.

    Secchia said he noticed a man with a cigarette in his hand following them as they made their way down the sidewalk.

    "When we stopped to look in a store window, this guy stopped," he said. 'It seemed odd to me, so I went to another store, and I stopped and said to him, 'Go on by, sorry to be blocking you.' "

    Secchia said the man went around them, then turned to face Thea, put out the hand that was not holding the cigarette, and said "How are you, little girl?"

    "I said, 'You can move on, buster, she doesn't need to talk to you,' " Secchia said.

    At that point, Secchia said the man leaned forward, attempted to grab Thea's hand, and said "I'm taking her with me, I'm a police officer."

    Secchia says he "lost it."

    "I said, 'You can't touch my granddaughter,' and I smacked him as hard as I could and he went down in the gutter between two parked cars," he said. "I'm kind of holding him down and yelling to people to call 911."

    A startled Thea began to scream, and a passer-by called 911 from a cell phone before walking away, Secchia said. He said he eventually attracted the attention of a women who took Thea into an interior design store until police arrived.

    Secchia said he ripped his pants, hurt his hand, pulled a muscle in his leg and ended up with mud and blood on himself as he struggled to keep the man down.

    "You're 67 years old and you're lying on top of some young dude in the gutter and your hands are swollen, and you're dirty," said Secchia, a former Marine who lifts weights to stay in shape.

    Seattle Det. Bonner confirmed Secchia's story. She said three police cruisers arrived at 9:17 a.m. and took the 38-year-old suspect into custody.

    Bonner said the man was booked into the King County Jail on suspicion of kidnapping, and the case has been forwarded to the city attorney's office. The man's name is being withheld until charges are filed, she said.

    Kathryn Harper, spokeswoman for the Seattle city attorney's office, said the man is scheduled to have a mental health competency hearing Monday in the Seattle Municipal Court. Harper said if he is deemed mentally competent, he will face a misdemeanor charge of assault.

    Bonner, who has since talked with Secchia to confirm details and make sure he is recovering well, she is upset that this kind of thing happens at all.

    "Part of what we need to do is ensure this person is held responsible for their action, and ensure nothing like this happens again," she said.

    For his part, Secchia insists he does not want attention. In fact, he says he did not even tell his wife, who arrived in Seattle a day later, right away about the incident. Althea's mother, his daughter Sandy Aslanian, found out in a humorous way.

    "Afterward, we went home and my daughter said 'The police have called, what happened?'" Secchia said. "Thea looks up and says 'Grandpa hit a policeman.'

    "I just hope one day she understands he wasn't a policeman."

    Other news reports have the Grandfather as a former US Marine and that the gentleman hurt his hands by mashing the creeps head into the kurb. BTW, the dude arrested is a registered sex offender. Since he flashed a badge, he also got hit with impersonating a cop.

    This to show this kind of incident is not uncommon, but thankfully, not a daily event either...
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  12. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Before I can answer about what I would have done to the woman trying to steal my grandchild, I need one very, very important piece of missing information: was she hawt?
  13. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    I am reminded of an old Johnny Cash song...

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