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A Democracy is Ludicrous

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Seacowboys, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I know I am going to get beaten up by flag-wavers for saying this but a Democracy simply cannot exist and function in today's world. The reason why is simple; there is a larger class of "have-nots" that with their vote and numbers, can take what you have worked for without your permission. It's sort of like being in a life-boat at sea with 10 other people and one can of water. doesn't matter if it is your can of water, if they want it, they can take it by sheer numbers. You can imagine the collective look in their eyes when they realize this and proceed to vote your ass over-board without your can of water.
    My point is that our society has become too diverse with a class of people that do not know how to take care of themselves but they still have an equal say in government and they out-number those of us that would build for ourselves. There are more of them and your stuff is on the ballot. Democracy and its new and improved "Republic" ony worked when the majority of people had an interest in insuring their common survival.
  2. FalconDance

    FalconDance Neighborhood Witch

    This is true. A system that only requires an individual vote from each citizen to be tallied and considered is not feasible with the shear size of our society. Thus the Electoral College was enacted - except it's been corrupted from its intent of representing the common vote as a reduced-to-viability number. The College can be 'bought' or courted by candidates and Big Business concerns just as easily as anybody else - their collective vote is widely sought after by candidates and Concerns as a short-cut to the Office of Choice.

    If the Electoral College were redeemed to its original intent - that of tallying the majority individual votes and translating that to the representative vote(s) from the states, the system would work.
  3. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Sea I'm not going to try and beat you up over it, because I have that can of water and agree.
    Its turning into what they have wanted for years, socialism.
    The only way to change that IMHO is a good cleansing what ever that may be.
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Is it getting time to cinch up your life preserver; take your can, and bail out over the side?

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  5. QuietOne

    QuietOne Monkey++

    What's the alternative? Good kings and dictators are as rare in history as hen's teeth and the few "good kings" were those who didn't murder too many serfs. A feudal aristocracy spends its time fighting with each other and grabbing money and conscripts from the lower classes for their wars. A plutocracy? That's what's causing the economic problems we have now. A theocracy? Argh!
    All that said, a republic lasts as long as the people are willing to fight for it. We'll probably have a dictatorship in the USA within a few years.
  6. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    The only acceptable alternative that will preserve our Republic is a cleansing of the useless fat; sort of like getting rid of "bad" cholesterol. Revolution and a massive reduction in those that would take and give nothing back is a good beginning.
  7. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Another high risk alternative is a benign oligarchy. Effectively, we have the oligarchy part now; there is, like it or not, a "ruling class" sitting at the various seats of government. The "benign" part does not show evidence of its existence other than in rhetoric.

    I'll leave it to the reader to go for the exact definitions, but the benign oligarchy is supposed to rule with a light hand for the direct benefit of those ruled, and not let power and the love thereof to go to their heads. Still, it is a class that we are not supposed to have here in the good old US of A.
  8. FalconDance

    FalconDance Neighborhood Witch

    Rendering lard. Good analogy ;).
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