Flu A Fever is a Good thing to a point.

Discussion in 'Survival Medicine' started by melbo, Dec 16, 2005.

  1. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Long read but very good:

    From http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=26631

    I just read this article on Flu's this mourning. You might want to give it a read through.

    The Deadliest Killer of the 20th Century, With More Deaths Than All the
    World Wars, Lurks Right Inside Your House, and Threatens to Take You and
    Your Family. The Story No One Told You.

    In 1918, a virulent, never seen before, form of influenza seemed to
    appear. It seemed to kill within hours, and spread around the world within
    days. It seemed to appear simultaneously all around the world. Its spread
    was faster than any then known means of human travel.
    > In 2004, the Centers for Disease Control and the World Health
    >Organization warned of repeats of such a rapid and deadly pandemic, through
    >such variants of influenza as SARS and Bird Flu. But without knowing what
    >caused the 1918 pandemic or how it spread, how can the CDC or WHO make such
    >a claim? Unless they already know something they are not telling.
    > As yet no one has been able to identify the actual medical cause of
    >the 1918 Flu, with only a few samples of a "bird-like" virus taken from
    >several cadaver tissue samples. But no sample is complete. And those are
    >only one or two samples from among the estimated 20 to 40 million people
    >seemed to die mysteriously almost overnight. The 1918 Flu spread faster and
    >was more deadly, killing more people than even the Plague and Black Death
    >the middle ages. Why does no one talk about it?
    > And even if the viral cause were identified, no one can explain the
    >lightning fast spread of the disease. Maybe it wasn't a disease after all.
    >Many researchers have even looked at some world-wide phenomena, such as
    >extra-terrestrial biology filtering into the atmosphere from outer space.
    >maybe, the jet stream spreading disease-laden dust from Asia all around the
    >world in a matter of days. In an area of investigation where there seems to
    >be no real facts and less logic, any "fringe theory" or "outre logic" is
    >just as valid as any other. Maybe something about the 1918 Flu is being
    >covered up. Something that we are not supposed to know.
    > Actually, there is another rather simple mundane solution to the
    >medical mystery. There did exist in 1918 a then new technical invention by
    >which the "disease" was spread almost at the speed of light. The "1918 Flu"
    >was spread around the world almost instantaneously by telephone. Of course,
    >that claim needs an explanation, and proof.
    > In the 1890's an American chemist made an improvement on an old home
    >folk remedy called Willow or Aspen Tea. It seemed to relieve the pains of
    >old-age gout, arthritis and other assorted pains. But the evil tasting tea
    >containing acetylsalicylic acid was so strong that it caused many people to
    >have nausea and vomiting, along with the pain relief if they could tolerate
    >drinking the tea. This potion was later neutralized, synthesized and
    >buffered, and then sold to the German Bayer company as a pain reliever.
    > I have researched the source and history of the name Aspirin and
    >no reasonable explanation has ever been found. I have found, instead, that
    >the German Bayer company, in order to sell to both the American and
    >markets, used a name familiar in both markets. In America the common folk
    >remedy form was called "Aspen Tea" made from boiling willow bark from the
    >Aspen tree family. In Europe, the same home remedy was called "Spirain Tea"
    >made from boiling the leaves of the common European shrub Spirae.
    > Both preparations were found to contain large amounts of natural
    >acetylsalicylic acid, but unbuffered. Combining the common home-remedy
    >folklore names Aspen and Spirain comes up with the Euro-American brand name
    >Aspirin. My research is the sole source for the information about that
    >unique derivation of the brand name.
    > The reason for the deep confusion and lack of any clear history
    >the trade name is that for almost a decade from 1905 to about 1915, the use
    >of the trade name, and the source of the name Aspirin, was tied up in
    >international courts. In the late 1890's when Aspirin became available as
    >easy to use "pop a pill" replacement to the sour tasting Aspen or Spirain
    >Teas, many people used it to relieve the pain of joint arthritis. Many
    >also discovered, quite by accident, a unique side effect. If you had a
    >when you took the Aspirin, it also made the fever suddenly go away. What a
    >discovery! It appeared to be a cure for the the common cold and flu.
    > By 1905 many other drug companies were making acetylsalicylic acid
    >preparations and calling it Aspirin, but they were selling it as a common
    >cold remedy. Bayer took these other companies to court and sued over
    >use of their trademark. Many people believe that Bayer lost the decision
    >lost control of the name Aspirin. Most believe that Aspirin is now a
    >name such as Kleenex, Scotch Tape or Xerox. Not so. It was an odd court
    >decision and a confusing compromise. By 1915 it was decided in court that
    >Bayer had the exclusive use of the tradename Aspirin, if it were sold as a
    >pain-relieving analgesic.
    > The court also found that the other companies could also use the
    >Aspirin, if in their ads and packaging, they claimed that their product was
    >an anti-febril agent or a fever reducer. This odd court decision is still
    >use today. You can still buy Bayer aspirin to relieve pain, and on the
    >shelf right next to it is Nyquil, Aleve, Tylenol, Motrin, Bufferin, Anacin
    >and a whole long list of others, all containing aspirin or aspirin-like
    >compounds and claiming to be treatments for Colds, Flu and Fever. Reducing
    >fever was not in Bayer's original patent claim. Bayer didn't know in 1895
    >the use of aspirin as a fever reducer and had not put that in their
    >trademark application.
    > And how does that strange court decision fit into the rapid spread
    >the 1918 Flu? The primary defense which the human body has, to stop the
    >spread of viral infections is to produce a fever. The fever is not a
    >of disease, but is actually the body's primary anti-viral immune system.
    >fever stops the telomeres on the ends of viral RNA from making copies of
    > The telomeres are like a zipper which unzips and separates the new
    >copy within miliseconds, but the telomeres are temperature sensitive and
    >won't unzip at temperatures above 101F. Thus the high temperature of the
    >fever, stops the flu virus from dividing and spreading. It is an immune
    >system response which only mammals have developed to prevent the spread of
    >viral flu infections, which mostly 99% come from the more ancient
    >dinosaur-like earth life forms called birds. Almost all influenza is a form
    >of "Avian Flu." A few influenza forms come from other dinosaur-like life
    >forms, the modern reptiles, but these are usually classified as very rare
    >tropical diseases, since that is where most reptiles live.

    > The doctors in the early 1900's didn't know about that, and even
    >few if any doctors are aware that fever is not a symptom of disease, but is
    >the primary and only way for the human body to stop viral infections. If
    >stop or reduce the fever, viruses are allowed to divide and spread
    >uncontrolled throughout the body. I have already described this process in
    >detail in my articles posted in the Brother Jonathan Gazette in 2003, so I
    >won't go into detail here. Do a search on "SARS" on the Gazette and you'll
    >find the articles.
    > Normally the progress of a flu is that a virus enters the mucous
    >membrane lining of the lungs, enters cells, then makes many copies of
    >itself, which causes the cell to expand to such an degree that it bursts
    >open. The new viruses then cloak themselves with a coating taken from the
    >old damaged cell wall, thus hiding themselves from the human body's own
    >T-cell antibody immune defense system. To the body's immune system the new
    >viruses simply appear to be pieces of the body's own lung tissue.
    > By creating a fever, the viral infection is slowed down sufficiently
    >so that the body's T cells can find the swollen infected lung cells,
    >surround them and metabolize (literally eat) the damaged cell with strong
    >acids which also breaks down the RNA viruses into basic amino acids. This
    >effectively "kills" the viruses so that they can't reproduce. But viruses
    >are not living things, and you can't kill something that's not alive. All
    >the body can do is destroy or dissolve the RNA amino acid chain which makes
    >up the virus.
    > Not knowing this, most doctors treat the flu with aspirin or fever
    >reducers, as a palliative treatment to ease the aches, pains, and delerium
    >fever effects. The result is that within hours, the fever goes down and the
    >patient feels much better. What neither the patient nor the doctor knows is
    >that with only a normal 98.6F body temperature, the viruses are allowed to
    >reproduce unchecked. Within 72 hours, the viruses have grown from one or
    >virus bodies to millions or billions. The body is now completely
    >overwhelmed. But while taking aspirin or cold medications, there are no
    >symptoms or warnings of what is yet to come.

    > As a last resort the body tries to quickly flush the infection of
    >billions of viruses from the lungs with massive amounts of T-cells, and
    >fluid in the lungs to "cough out" the virus. This is called viral
    >Soon within hours the patient is in the hospital. The doctors try to treat
    >the now 105 degree fever with more anti-febril aspirins, or related
    >medications to "treat the fever." Then within another 24 hours the patient,
    >suffocating and gasping for breath, is dead.
    > You should note that the original infection did cause a mild fever,
    >aches and pains, which the patient "self-medicated" with over-the-counter
    >products. For the next several days, the patient seemed to have no
    >but was actually growing billions of copies of influenza virus in his
    >Then days later, the patient and doctor seem to see a sudden rapid case of
    >viral flu infection that is now overwhelming the body. Is that what really
    > What caused the patient's death? Was it the original flu virus, or
    >it the use of Aspirin to lower the flu fever which then shutdown the
    >patient's own immune system response? Obviously, the latter. So how did
    >cause the massive rapid spread of the 1918 Flu?
    > The Bayer court case had just been settled, and many companies other
    >than Bayer, could now legally market aspirin to treat colds and fever. But
    >then "The Great War to End all War" was on, and most aspirin products were
    >going directly to the front lines in France to treat the soldiers in the
    >diseased hell hole trenches of WWI.
    > The World War I medics knew that aspirin could quickly reduce a
    >If a soldier had a fever, the docs gave aspirin. Magically the fever went
    >down, the soldier felt better and quickly went back to the fighting. Then
    >three days later, the same soldier was back, now with severe pneumonia and
    >died almost overnight.
    > No doctors then made the connection between aspirin and pneumonia
    >death, since the trenches were filled with many other seemingly related
    >diseases such as diphtheria or tuberculosis. Death and dying on the front
    >line was common, so no investigation was done. Aspirin seemed to be a
    >god-send since it allowed sick soldiers to swiftly get right back into the
    > After the Armistice of November 11, 1918 the fighting stopped and
    >soldiers went home. The soldiers around the world announced the good news
    >their families back home. Most of the low-ranked doughboys had to wait till
    >they got back to their homebase in Kansas, or wherever, to call home. They
    >couldn't afford the costly trans-Atlantic deep sea cable phone rates. But
    >when the troop arrived in Kansas, the call from sergeant Tom was something
    > "Hey mom, I'm coming home. I'll see yu and dad next Tuesday in
    >Chattanooga. How's everybody? Oh, Aunt Esther has a fever? Hey tell her to
    >take some aspirin. Yeah, that stuff in the medicine cabinet for treatin'
    >aches and pains. Tell Esther, we used it in France. Works right away and
    >fever is gone. OK see yu Tuesday...."
    > So what does Esther do? She tries the aspirin, but the old Bayer
    >only says its for "aches and pains" and says nothing about fevers. She
    >it and magically the fever is gone, and she feels much better, almost
    >She's so much better, she gets out the horse and buggy to go see her
    >Lucy in Mt Carmel, where Lucy and the kids are down with the fever. Mt.
    >Carmel has no telephones and even no roads, only the buggy path to reach
    >outside world. But within hours of sergeant Tom's phone call home, by word
    >of mouth, everybody in rural Mt. Carmel is now taking aspirin to treat
    >fevers. Since the new information came from a soldier, from the US Army and
    >the government, it must be true!
    > Within a week of the 1918 Armistice, by newfangled telephone,
    >trans-oceanic telephone cables, and even the experimental ship-to-shore
    >shortwave radios using Morse code, the message was flashed around the
    >world -- "Have a fever? Take Aspirin. It worked in France, it'll work for
    >you." That message spread at nearly the speed of light over millions of
    >telephone lines all around the world. The news of the "miracle cure" even
    >spread by word of mouth within a day or so, even to places with no phones
    >nor roads.
    > Mysteriously, a week later, doctors round the world now had hundreds
    >of sick and dying patients. Nobody could figure out why. The patients
    >themselves never reported that just the week before they did have a mild
    >fever. But it was so mild that when they took some aspirin, it simply went
    >away. Nobody made the connection. The doctors only saw, by November 24,
    >thousands of very sick patients with high fevers, lungs filled with fluid,
    >and swift overnight death.
    > The medical profession had never seen anything like it before, nor
    >since. It seemed to occur simultaneously all around the world and even
    >reaching into such out of the way places like Mt. Carmel with no telephones
    >nor roads. How could such a massive fast-spreading killer disease exist? It
    >didn't. It wasn't a disease. It was a new use for an old home folk remedy
    >which everybody already had in their medicine cabinet, Bayer Aspirin to
    >reduce fever.
    > The medical profession, at a complete loss to explain it, simply
    >called it the "Spanish Flu" or the "1918 Flu" or many similar names. It was
    >a mystery with no known source, so it was assigned many place names. So
    >nobody has been able to prove any single pathogen was responsible. And even
    >if they did, they still can't explain how it seemed to spread world-wide at
    >almost the speed of light, clear around the world within a week.
    > To this day there is no explanation. But, now you know. The
    >was not a single pathogen, but many of the hundreds of similar types of flu
    >which are always existing at any time around the world. What was different
    >in November 1918 was the many hundreds of thousands of almost simultaneous
    >phone calls from the millions of returning sergeant Toms saying, "...tell
    >Aunt Esther to take the aspirin. It worked in France. It'll work for
    >Nobody traced the spread of the 1918 Flu to sergeant Tom. Nobody made the
    > That very same source of disease still exists today. What is
    >today is that cold and flu products are sold and used all year long. This
    >results in an estimated one million deaths from mysterious viral pneumonia
    >reported every year, but also all around the year. In 1918, the new use of
    >aspirin for treating colds and flu all started at the same time in
    >thus creating the false impression of a sudden massive onset of a new
    >disease. Even today SARS is not a disease. It is the improper use of a
    >new high-tech flu fighter called Tamiflu. The FDA approved the use of
    >Tamiflu several years ago. In 2003 it began to be used world-wide. But how
    >is it used?
    > Many millions of people around the world still self-treat their own
    >colds and flu with over-the-counter meds containing aspirin. Those are the
    >most commonly sold medications in the world. The patient's mild fever
    >quickly goes away. They forget about ever having felt sick. Then several
    >days later the patient sees the doctor and now has a high fever, bad cough
    >and fluid-filled lungs. The doctor, using the new CDC and WHO guidelines,
    >treats the hospitalized "flu" patient with the new high-tech Tamiflu. But
    >how often and at what dosage?
    > The doctors do what they've always done for the past 100 years. Tell
    >the nurse to stick a thermometer in the patient's mouth, increase the
    >Tamiflu dosage by 10cc's every hour until the fever starts to drop. Then
    >maintain that dosage level until the patient dies. Then blame the death on
    >some new highly contagious lethal virus. Nothing new here. It's the same
    >story, since 1918.
    > The only thing different is that they give it a new name like SARS,
    >Bird Flu or whatever sounds nifty and high-tech. Even today, each year
    >one million people world-wide die from the very same "disease" which first
    >appeared in the fall of 1918. Has medicine, in the last 100 years, turned
    >this "contagion" from Pandemic by Phone, into Illness by Internet? Is it
    >rapid and continuous spread of misinformation that is still killing
    > So now, I have given you enough information that you are ready for
    >Part Two. Coming next is a review of the curious scientific evidence,
    >medical records and the biochemistry proof behind the Case of Murder in the
    >Medicine Cabinet.
    >Marshall Smith
    >Editor, BroJon Gazette
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  2. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    :shock: Makes you look at everything in a different light.
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  3. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Yup....I figured it was pretty common knowledge that the fever is the bodys way of fighting infection, kind of like swelling is the bodys natural form of a splint. I know my normal treatment for a low grade fever (99-101) is a stout screwdriver and some salt. Yup, orange juice with booze and some salt and also generaly add some sugar, the OJ gives the body a boost of vitamin C to help the imune system, the booze helps to spike the fever also to cause you to sweat (one of the bodys way of expelling toxens), the salt replaces some of whats lost in the sweat and the sugar, while empty calories gives the body fuel to burn to feed the fire of the fever. Then force myself to stay under a pile of blankets. That way it helps the body to kill off and expelle the toxins.
    That said it is important to keep an eye on the fever and get out from under any covers and take moderate action to keep the fever from riseing if it gets to 102, if it gets to 103 then after 2 or 3 hours if it hasnt broken (started comeing down) on its own then you need to take the asprin, or rub down with alcohol or something to start bringing the temp down and if it goes over 104 for more than 30 min or so the same action should be taken. At 105 do what ever is needed imediatly includeing cool bath to bring down the fever.
    I this because while the fever will kill the viruses/infections above 103 for an extended period (several hours to a day or more) can cause brain damage and/or death by cooking the brain, as the temp get higher the brain cooks faster.
    So while a mid grade fever is a good thing there dose come a point when it DOSE need to be broken.


    I'm not a Doctor and so am not qualified to give medical advice, this is simply what I have found to work best for me and mine.
  4. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Yep. That's why I said to a point. There is a danger zone.

    But, we treat every little PITA symptom and hinder out own bodily responses in doing so.
  5. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Exactly! So many folks now days reach for a pill every time something is out of the norm with their body to treat the symptoms regardless of the cause. While Im by no means beyond grabbing some antibiotics when I need them or even a pain killer if I have a tooth ache or something but I tend to prefer to let the body do its thing and pay attention to the symptoms and help the body do what its trying to do, even to the point of skipping the pain pills most of the time since lets face it pain is the body telling you somethings wrong so if you have a pulled muscle or injured joint and the meds keep it from hurting you are more likely to be doing things that will cause more damage. Most times I only use pain killers if it totaly madening pain or when I need to sleep and the pain wont allow it.
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  6. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

  7. ghostrider

    ghostrider Resident Poltergeist Founding Member

  8. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Screwdrivers all around!
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  9. ther

    ther Monkey+++

    Hi dear friends
    There are lots of diseases are taking place in the world, some of them are known and some of them are still unknown and unrecoverable, such as AIDS, but bird flu is also very bad decease but fortunately is not unrecoverable, so got proper treatment about bird flu infection, took tamiflu drug for more information see here http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s3353-s-tamiflu.aspx
    Use it and and got benefit.
  10. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Its in Nigeria and spreading folks.... That's bad.... the poor folks there are already having a tough enough time with health issues.... keep an eye on this one and pay attention to threads like this one.... a little bit of knowledge, a few preps and eye on the horizon could mean the difference between watching your loved ones get terribly sick and worse... or having them watch you do the same.... its an ugly, agonizing sickness and way to die.... :(

    But... hey... Sars was a big non event.... The flu comes and goes every year... there will be enough vaccine.... our Fed, State and local governments are prepared to take care of us.... we can take our preps and get into the car and run.... so no worries right?.... Party on! [beer] b::

    Wrong!!!!!.... and there's been enough warning for everyone to get informed, consider and prepare..... this one scares the heck out of me and its not a Bush scare tactic IMHO :shock:
  11. pearlselby

    pearlselby Monkey++

    Thank you, Melbo!
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  12. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    How about getting the flu shot and not getting it in the first place.
    I have been in very close contact with people that have tested positive for flu a or b and didn't get it.
    Plus if I miss a week of work I'm out like $1,000.
  13. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    Pain tell's the brain where the injury is, and it severity, and how to deal with it.
    Reducing the pain shields the brain from giving the proper response.

    I like using colloidal silver because it suffocates the bacteria causing infection, and bacteria cannot become immune to it.
    It does not need refrigeration, and it does not age in heat, and I make my own.
    I use it on all injuries and potentially internal bacterial events even botulism.
    Taking CS orally to get in one's bloodstreem the bacteria in the digestive system will need to be replaced/restored ,a probiotic will take care of that.
    I know that is not a placebo seeing I use it on my animals as well with equally positive results.
  14. jefferson

    jefferson Monkey

    Sometimes, fever will not harmful our body health, it may be reboot our body function system, if we following some health care steps. Those who takes unwanted pain killer or some other fever remedies, it will only gives short time relief. Better to seek doctor help for some flu infection.
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