A general First aid guide

Discussion in 'Survival Medicine' started by melbo, Aug 9, 2005.


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  1. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Should be available from our Northern Cousins, along with a supply of 222s.....
     
  2. Kelly Marie

    Kelly Marie Monkey

    I checked in Mexico....need to travel to El Norte

    Anyone coming in to OR from CD?
     
  3. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

  4. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter+++

  5. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    It is no longer recommended to use it. See the link I posted. There is no evidence that it does any good.
     
  6. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter+++

    I think the point was what to do if the poison control was no longer available.. That was a good link and under normal times the advice to call poison control is the best route.. I hesitate to say more..
     
  7. Kelly Marie

    Kelly Marie Monkey

    It was recommended to use to make a person throw up. Hence the issue with taking it off the market. Some dumbass used it wrong or as a joke. Still good to have. Found Ipecacuanha...same thing. Pills and syrup. Good to have for an emergency.

    How would you call poison control if there were no phones or people at the "poison control center"?

    Hmmmmmm


    Best to have things we could need. Is this not what this forum is about?
     
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  8. Kelly Marie

    Kelly Marie Monkey

    Nope. All that is for sale is the Ipecacuanha - it is not real syrup of Ipecac. It is no longer sold in the USA. There are tablets that dissolve under the tongue but their main interest is to prevent nausea, not cause it.

    If anyone can find Ipecac, let me know.
     
  9. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter+++


    You need the knowledge of how and when to use a medication and when not to... There other skills and technique that need to be learned for different types of poisoning.. You can cause even more damage by inducing vomiting ...
     
  10. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    The research shows no real benefit to using it. Those poisoned did no better with it than without it, AND it could cause needed medications not to stay down. In Addition, anything caustic would cause MORE damage on the way back up. Activated charcoal is more useful, but also requires care.
     
  11. Kelly Marie

    Kelly Marie Monkey

    We had a patient that took an antibiotic that she was allergic to, could not make herself throw up, ran over and bought ipecac. Was quite some time ago, but did its job.
     
  12. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    It will make you vomit, it will do nothing for poison, except make less of it, through volume. Icapac will cause you to vomit about half of your stomach contents (IIRC) if half will still kill you, your dead.
    Activated charcoal will work against the poison itself. I would suggest asking a doctor, while their advice is available.
     
  13. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter+++

    Could say how it should be done, however in this context I do not believe it wise.. This has set me off in another search on info in this area.. There instances where better out than in is course to take.. Knowing when and why it's appropriate is rub..
     
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  14. chambers270

    chambers270 Monkey++

    As mentioned on here a few times, basic trauma skills, CPR and clean technique are needed for everyone in the general public, much more for those who venture into the outdoors, survivalists etc. Being a health care professional I see the good and bad side of this issue. I have patients come in who attempted to fix the situation and caused extensive damage and then I have patients whose life was saved because of a friend or passerby.

    Please at the minimum get CPR training, it might be your child or loved one who benefits.
     
  15. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter+++

    Agree with @chambers270 .. If it takes more than a bandaid, get help...
     
  16. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    This is such a great thread. Thought it needed a bump and some more info.

    Found this-

    10 Household Items that have First Aid Uses | Apartment Prepper The comments also have extra tips.

    Please note- #1 was discussed here- The Survival Tampon | Survival Monkey Forums and @chelloveck made some very good points.
     
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  17. KAS

    KAS Monkey++

    whiskey
     
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  18. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Cherry Bark...
     
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  19. AmericanRedoubt1776

    AmericanRedoubt1776 American Redoubt: Idaho-Montana-Wyoming Site Supporter+

    @Motomom34, as a practicing herbalist, I can clinically say "this works" for the following pain relieving remedies:

    Depends on the type of pain / reason for it, but anyone can take an herbal powder mixture of Musta (Cyprus rotundus) and Yogaraj Guggulu (formula with Commiphora mukul tree resin, etc.). These are a classical Indian-Tibetan formula (Ayurveda) used for more than 2000 years. Take 1 teaspoon 3x per day with hot water. The main ingredient being a tree resin, the potency of the formula will last for 3 to 5 years.

    For those with pain that is inflamed and feels hot (relieved with cold), use the formula called Kaishore Guggulu (Tinospora cordifolia, etc) instead of Yogaraj Guggulu.

    There are no contraindications for these particular herbal formulas.

    A Mayo Clinic study found that taking turmeric several times daily was as effective as the leading arthritis pharmaceutical with no side-effects.

    However, in general, remember that herbal remedies are almost always slow-acting compared to pharmaceuticals which are fast-acting. So, stock up on both preps. The good news about herbal preps (if you are into gardening/permaculture) is that most medicinal plants are perennials, rather than annuals.

    I studied the Indian-Tibetan system of herbal/food medicine for 7 years, along with basic Chinese and Western medicinal herbs, and have practiced it full time for 19 years and would be happy to help out any of my fellow Monkeys with herbal advice.
     
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  20. vonslob

    vonslob Monkey++

    I took a wilderness first responders course about ten years ago and i try to stay on top of the continuing education, reading what i can. It took a week of my time but it was worth it. I have used what i learned several times over the years. I certainly do not want to say anything negative about alternative medicine, but i am all about having a huge stock of over the counter pain killers and other first aid supplies. Treating a traumatic injury involving blood takes large amount of dressings, treating burns same thing. I think as far as emergency preparing goes, first aid supplies are grossly under looked by many people. It really is not enough to just have a book to go to, first aid is best taught by doing, even in practice.
     
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