Civics A history lesson

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by ghrit, Nov 2, 2006.

  1. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
    "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
    1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
    2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
    3. from courage to liberty;
    4. from liberty to abundance;
    5. from abundance to complacency;
    6. from complacency to apathy;
    7. from apathy to dependence;
    8. From dependence back into bondage"

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

    Number of States won by: Gore: 19; Bush: 29
    Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
    Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million
    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2; Bush:

    Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

    Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty-million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say good-bye to the USA in fewer than five years.

    Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

    I do not know from my source when Olson wrote and came to that conclusion, but seems not too recently, seemingly less than 5 years. (Can't be sure of how Tyler came to his conclusions, either.) All that said, I personally think we are not as close to the brink as he thinks, but in my mind it is a bed rock certainty that apathy will drive us (and those like us) to ground sooner or later. I can easily imagine that Gore's follow-ons are in the same catagory as he, and we need to watch carefully, and be ready for what comes.
  2. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Interesting read and analysis....:)

    I tend to agree that maybe we are not so close as stated....

    Although, I worry that so much is "based and bet" on "hope and promise intangibles" that any sudden or slow lumbering "disaster", man made, natural or combination, could trigger a series of cause and effect events that this widespread "apathy and greed" would find pretty helpless to prevent from 'snowballing' into a global paradigm shift.... :eek: sheesh... most would probably be oblivious and in denial until it stared them in the face....

    Maybe like dinosaurs in their final days... the Cretaceous period..... we're doomed....:(


    the good news is that I believe the Cretaceous period lasted about 75 million years.... and that's what most folks are betting and hoping ..... We've got lots more time....;)
  3. ricdoug

    ricdoug Monkey+++

    It's like a Political Civil War. Ric
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