A moral compass / ethical lodestone

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by chelloveck, Apr 16, 2015.

  1. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Making moral and ethical decisions is an inescapable part of life, and, in a survival scenario, the ethical and moral decisions are likely to become even more challenging than when life is easy and the reticulated water, gas and power still works.

    One way or another we are guided by any number of philosophical systems of thought....to see where you might fall..or stand...check the following website out.

    Ethical Philosophy Selector A Philosophy Selector

    Evidently my philosophical world view is guided to a larger extent by Sartre, Hobbes, Mill, Hume and Bentham....no surprises there.

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  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
    2. Prescriptivism (81%)
    3. Ayn Rand (76%)

    Sartre always sympathized with the Left, and supported the French Communist Party (PCF) until the 1956 Soviet invasion of Hungary. Following the Liberation the PCF were infuriated by Sartre's philosophy, which appeared to lure young French men and women away from the ideology of communism and into Sartre’s own existentialism.[65] From 1956 onwards Sartre rejected the claims of the PCF to represent the French working classes, objecting to its "authoritarian tendencies". In the late 1960s Sartre supported the Maoists, a movement that rejected the authority of established communist parties.[66] However, despite aligning with the Maoists, Sartre said after the May events: "If one rereads all my books, one will realize that I have not changed profoundly, and that I have always remained an anarchist."[34] He would later explicitly allow himself to be called an anarchist.

    Jean-Paul Sartre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Props to Anarchy. :)
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  3. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    There wasn't much in the way of choices in the 1930's and 1940's in Europe...centrists would cop it from both sides, and the die hard communists bent in favour of the fascists (while the Von Ribbentrop / Molotov pact was in place)..or against the fascists once Hitler charged into Russia via operation Barbarossa, depending on Stalin's whims and fancies. I do like Sartre's existentialist philosophy though...Essence precedes existence!
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  4. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I guess I found my Nietzsche

    1. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (100%)
    2. Jean-Paul Sartre (96%)
    3. Stoics (88%)
    4. Ayn Rand (88%)
    5. David Hume (84%)
    6. Immanuel Kant (83%)
    7. Aristotle (77%)
    8. Thomas Hobbes (77%)
    9. John Stuart Mill (72%)
    10. Cynics (68%)
    11. Thomas Aquinas (61%)
    12. William of Ockham (60%)
    13. Benedictus Spinoza (59%)
    14. Epicureans (49%)
    15. Prescriptivism (47%)
    16. Plato (44%)
    17. St. Augustine (42%)
    18. Jeremy Bentham (39%)
    19. Nel Noddings (27%)
    20. Jean-Jacques Rousseau (13%)
    21. William James (12%)
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  5. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    1.Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
    2. Ayn Rand (98%)
    3. John Stuart Mill (93%)
    4. Thomas Hobbes (78%)
    5. Aristotle (77%)
    6. Plato (70%)
    7. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (67%)
    8. Immanuel Kant (66%)
    9. David Hume (64%)
    10. Jeremy Bentham (62%)
    I'm going to have to re-read what I have on Sartre, because I really didn't think that he spoke to me very well. The rest I can definitely understand, with the exception of Jeremy Bentham - I have no idea who he is. Some research is in order. The middle eight, I would have picked myself, though not necessarily in that order. I would have expected to find some of the Stoics in the top ten; they came in 18th.
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  6. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    1) John Stuart Mill 100%
    2) Epicureans 95% (This one surprised me)
    3) Jean- Paul Sarte 95% (and this one was a surprise)
    4) Immanual Kant 86%
    5) Ayn Rand 83%

    John Stuart Mill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Mill expresses his view on freedom by illustrating how an individual's amelioration of personal quality and self-improvement is the sole source of true freedom. Only when an individual is able to attain such a beneficial standard of one's self, whilst in the absence of rendering external onerosity upon others, in their own journey to procure a higher calibre of self-worth, can true freedom prevail. Mill's attitude toward freedom and individual accomplishment through self-improvement has inspired many. By establishing an appreciable level of worthiness concerned with one's ability to fulfill personal standards of notability and merit, Mill was able to provide many with a principal example of how they should achieve such particular values.

    He was a proponent of utilitarianism, an ethical theory developed by Jeremy Bentham. He worked on the theory of the scientific method
  7. Gray Wolf

    Gray Wolf Monkey+++

    Mine came out Benedictus Spinoza
  8. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    I received mine from my Father & GrandFather.... Who received theirs, from the same way, going back 4 or 5 Generations.....
  9. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    I understand where you are coming from....Sartre doesn't do any favours for the reader in helping them to understand what the hell he is on about. In the existentialist tradition, Camus is more readable.

    A reasonably clear explanation of existentialism as it pertains to Ethical Humanism can be heard by listening to one of the Ethical Society of St Louis's podcasts called, unsurprisingly, "Ethical Humanism and Existentialism".


    Edit: A google search will find downloadable copies of Existentialism for Dummies in .pdf format. (Am not suggesting that the folks here at SM, scratching their heads, (including me), while reading Sartre's book Being and Nothingness, are dummies.)
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  10. AxesAreBetter

    AxesAreBetter Monkey+++

    Interesting thread.
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  11. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    I take your point BT...perhaps for some...the quiz indicates which philosophies one's own view generally aligns with, rather than which philosophies necessarily guide one's own world view or where the philosophical underpinnings of one's world view are derived from.
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  12. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)  More Info
     2. Ayn Rand (95%)  More Info
     3. Immanuel Kant (81%)  More Info
     4. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (80%)  More Info
     5. Stoics (77%)  More Info
     6. John Stuart Mill (73%)  More Info
     7. Aristotle (68%)  More Info
     8. David Hume (68%)  More Info
     9. Thomas Hobbes (66%)  More Info
     10. Cynics (65%)  More Info
     11. Thomas Aquinas (54%)  More Info
     12. Plato (49%)  More Info
     13. Jeremy Bentham (44%)  More Info
     14. Epicureans (43%)  More Info
     15. Benedictus Spinoza (42%)  More Info
     16. William of Ockham (38%)  More Info
     17. Prescriptivism (38%)  More Info
     18. Nel Noddings (34%)  More Info
     19. St. Augustine (30%)  More Info
     20. Jean-Jacques Rousseau (12%) 
     21. William James (10%)
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  13. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    hmmmmm - without much surprise, we're seeing a pattern here. I'm reminded of the old "birds of a feather" adage
  14. AxesAreBetter

    AxesAreBetter Monkey+++

    I ended up with that Mill character in the 100%...accidentally closed it before I caught the rest of them...
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  15. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    I just would not have put myself in the existentialist camp. I have found Sarte to be utterly depressing, and Camus more so. Camus is a main dish of depressing, with a side order of STRANGE. I can understand both of them not being all happiness and light, given their life experiences, but I think to relate to them I would have to endure similar experiences. The ones that I find myself most inclined toward are Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, Hume, Aristotle, Plato, and Nietzsche; and probably in that order. It could be the readability of their works. Perhaps Sarte and Camus have points that I could better appreciate, were they presented in a different format. I'll check out the link you suggested. Thanks.
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  16. mysterymet

    mysterymet Monkey+++

    Immanuel kant 100%
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  17. fmhuff

    fmhuff Monkey+++

    Interesting but a little directional in the questions. I'm sure my last choice answers affected the outcome.

    If one had to choose a question other than Don't like any of them, I'm sure the results would be quite different.

    1. St. Augustine (100%)
    2. Thomas Aquinas (87%)
    3. Immanuel Kant (81%)
    4. William of Ockham (80%)
    5. Plato (76%)
    6. Aristotle (70%)
    7. John Stuart Mill (66%)
    8. Jean-Paul Sartre (60%)
    9. Benedictus Spinoza (58%)
    10. Epicureans (56%)
    11. Ayn Rand (52%)
    12. Prescriptivism (43%)
    13. Jeremy Bentham (41%)
    14. Stoics (30%)
    15. Cynics (24%)
    16. William James (18%)
    17. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (17%)
    18. Thomas Hobbes (15%)
    19. Jean-Jacques Rousseau (15%)
    20. David Hume (13%)
    21. Nel Noddings (12%)
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  18. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    I'm a huge fan of both of of your 1st two... Lol
  19. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Immanuel Kant (100%)
    2. John Stuart Mill (82%)
    3. Jean-Paul Sartre (80%)
    4. Stoics (79%)
    5. Aristotle (73%)
    6. Ayn Rand (72%)
    7. Thomas Aquinas (68%)
    8. Benedictus Spinoza (66%)
    9. Jeremy Bentham (61%)
    10. Plato (52%)
    11. Prescriptivism (47%)
    13. Cynics (41%)
    14. Epicureans (41%)
    15. David Hume (41%)
    16. Thomas Hobbes (40%)
    17. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (40%)
    18. William of Ockham (37%)
    19. Nel Noddings (31%)
    20. William James (15%)
    21. Jean-Jacques Rousseau
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  20. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    My top 10 results. Very interesting quiz.

    1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
    2. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (69%)
    3. Benedictus Spinoza (65%)
    4. Immanuel Kant (64%)
    5. John Stuart Mill (63%)
    6. David Hume (58%)
    7. Thomas Aquinas (54%)
    8.Stoics (54%)
    9. Ayn Rand (53%)
    10. Aristotle (50%)

    I think @RightHand was very correct when she said birds of a feather.
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