A new vision for America: Deputized Americans

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by GhostX, Aug 30, 2016.

  1. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    Meh. the only good post on this whole thread was @Pax Mentis and his grammar correction. That was onr funny post! the rest is hot air speculation unless you put the thought into action. I hate mental mass-tur-baste-ion of this ilk.
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  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I'm not ready to call it speculation, it's pretty much fiction on the level of Stranger in a Strange Land. (Heinlein as you may remember.) The scheme requires that all grok the same. Not possible.
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  3. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    Well, thanks for giving your feed back, everyone. I really just wanted to bounce this idea off you guys just to see what you thought. I'll just keep dreaming.
  4. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Nothing wrong in gaming possible alternatives to the present state of affairs...you have obviously put some effort into your consideration. Like any system involving human inputs...the system will be gamed by some to the detriment of others...that's just how human society works. Keep thinking...creativity is what sometimes leads to novel solutions to age old problems. (y)
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  5. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    There's not really an off switch to all the stuff I have spinning around in my head. I have always wanted to do my part to contribute in solving some of the world's problems, if only for the sake of raising my future children in a better world.

    Does anyone have any ideas that might make this idea more realistic?
  6. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Good point...if you're gonna mass-tur-baste, might as well do it for real and get the physical satisfaction. :D
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  7. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Choose freedom. Freedom isn't pretty, orderly, safe, predictable or easily controlled...which seems to be some of what you are trying to gain. This is how tyranny begins...by attempts to make us safer, more orderly, etc...all with the best of intentions, of course...until they ain't.
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  8. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    What works is what Switzerland achieved ,via a required service ,though I would require all to participate not just men.
    Those the fulfilled their term of service had the right to vote.
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  9. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    Do you think that some "crimes" are justifiable in certain cases? I know I do. If someone was doing something that was not hurting anyone and would not be detrimental to their own safety, I would probably have no problem to over look it. But if someone is being a nuisance to the community, it would give basic citizens the ability to deal with it with a unified goal to preserve peace. Sure it's possible to make a citizens arrest already but to be able to coordinate with that idea, you would have the very soul of the 2nd amendment. People with more common sense judgements about how a community should be.
  10. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Shouldn't "how a community should be" be up to the community?
  11. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    Exactly! I'm talking about a way for a what would be considered a "crime" to become a collective decision among members of the community.
  12. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    you mean like it already is? Or do you want true collectivism or democracy where every single law is determined by a vote?
  13. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    It's just that current technology gives us more options to make something like this work. True collectivism is very attainable in today's world.
  14. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Looks like you are assuming the need to be armed to make a citizen's arrest. Not true
    There are no words.
  15. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    "I'm from the .gov and I'm here to help"

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  16. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    First, I have this to say.
    The Constitution is a delegation of authority from the people to its servant government.
    Everything inside, absent the Bill of Rights, is specifically about what government can and cannot do.
    The Bill of Rights (which came after) only enshrines the most basic rights of the people, it does not grant them.

    Next, allow me to ask a question. Do you recognize the sovereignty of the citizenry and government's rightful place (being constrained to within the boundaries of the Constitution)?

    I see the reason behind this idea, but as sovereign citizens (as originally established) we already have virtually unlimited authority within our own property boundaries, and outside of our property (land), we obey state law and abide by common law practices when operating in public. We do not have the right to order others around outside our property, we do not have the right to initiate force outside our own property. This works both ways. These are sensible concepts for sensible people. Of course, we are no longer sensible, and government isn't restricted to the boundaries of the Constitution, nor do we own property (land) in title, therefore no rights can actually be asserted, because all rights are exercised by virtue of land ownership. This hearkens back to the days of early civilization, later to Locke and others who inspired some of the framework our forefathers used as inspiration to create the republic. It wasn't long ago that only Kings and Queens (aside from the Church itself) could actually own land and claim sovereignty, but with the forming of our very own republic, each and every citizen naturally born to it was sovereign in every meaning of the term.

    To hold great freedoms means there will be sufferable consequences. In other words, the liberties we once had, did have a side effect, and through time, government does as it always does --it offers to "help". I see this suggestion as a method to "help" some of the problems we face. However, we shouldn't forget where we came from, because to do so would only cloud the matter even more. Most, if not all of our problems can be eliminated by simply removing government from the equation and starting at ground zero, from the original intent of the Constitution. If we also remove the number one weakness of the Constitution, that being the power conferred to Congress, we wouldn't have an Executive Branch which has been entitled forever by Congress to operate with impunity and limitless authority. There would be no police state, no private banking corporate cartel, no endless sea of alphabet agency homeland security, no welfare, no mandatory healthcare, no IRS, no FED, no New Deal globalist agenda. And, we wouldn't be here talking about deputizing every citizen to try and restore order and decency.
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  17. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Not on my watch. I choose freedom.
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  18. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    Are you saying the people wouldn't want what's best for the people? That's basically what I'm trying to say; the well being of a community should be a responsibility for every member of that community. People should have a will to preserve the peace and order of the place that they live in.

    ... but I'm thinking that this topic is starting to get a little confusing and lines are starting to blur even on my end. I just think that if something has to be destroyed, this could be a great way to pick up the pieces. No government would basically mean that people would need to rely on each other more and this seems like an effective way to accomplish that. I guess it depends on how someone wants to look at this.

    I wrote this under the premise that a government would still be intact but I'm starting to realize that it might be a more effective idea if it wasn't.
  19. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    If a guy walked up to the group I am in, and lets say he raised a machete and declared he would strike if we did not hand over our wallets..... he would be shot by myself and probably most within my group before he finished his declaration. We are already exercising what your OP suggested.... the problem is, there are a lot of sheep out there..... not my problem, I can only defend those within my sphere....
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  20. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Here's a simple reason, then.

    I worked with this guy once, he never got a raise at work, but he was always willing to accept more duties assigned to him. After all, cheap labor is worth even more if it's doing the work of 5 people instead of just one. He thoroughly loved the idea of thinking himself important. He received no new title or position, but he thought of himself as somebody bigger. He talked down to others not because he enjoyed it, but due to his fascination with being important. In his mind, he could do no wrong.

    Give the wrong kind of people just a glimmer of "authority" and watch what happens. We've all seen the video footage of bad cops doing bad things, including murder openly because they were in a bad mood that day.
    And who will do this, exactly? I take it....more police?
    You should define "break the law". Is this any law, say misdemeanors? Is this felonies, to include any new number of crimes which are now felonies? How about domestic terrorism? I am certain lots of right wing Christians won't make your list after that.
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