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A New York State of Mind

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by E.L., Sep 1, 2007.

  1. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member


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    A New York State of Mind

    Posted on August 21st, 2007
    By Fred in <!--Posted in-->Commentaries, Second Amendment

    When I was working in television, I spent quite a bit of time in New York City. There are lots of things about the place I like, but New York gun laws don’t fall in that category.
    Anybody who knows me knows I’ve always cared deeply about the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. So I’ve always felt sort of relieved when I flew back home to where that particular civil liberty gets as much respect as the rest of the Bill of Rights.
    Unfortunately, New York is trying, again, to force its ways on the rest of us, this time through the courts. First, they went after U.S. gun manufacturers, seeking through a lawsuit not only money but injunctive control over the entire industry. An act of congress in 2005 blocked, but did not end, that effort.
    Now, the same activist federal judge from Brooklyn who provided Mayor Giuliani’s administration with the legal ruling it sought to sue gun makers, has done it again. Last week, he created a bizarre justification to allow New York City to sue out-of-state gun stores that sold guns that somehow ended up in criminal hands in the Big Apple.
    The lawsuit has been a lesson in out-of-control government from the get-go. Mayor Bloomberg sent private investigators to make “straw” purchases – illegally buying guns for somebody else. According to the ATF, NY’s illegal “stings” interfered with ongoing investigations of real gun traffickers.
    Obviously, New York won’t get much cash out of the few dozen shops being sued in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia; so the purpose can only be political. Some of those sued have already buckled under the financial strain of legal defense and agreed to live by New York City rules.
    Ironically, all of this comes at a time of historically low violent crime rates and historically high gun ownership rates nationally. States where it is legal to carry guns are also at an all-time high, up to 40 from 10 in 1987 by NRA reckoning.
    While this attack by New York City on the Second Amendment reinforces the importance of appointing judges who apply the law as written, there is another important legal point. Federalism, though usually seen as a protection of the states from the federal government, actually grew out of the need to protect states from other states that interfered in free commerce beyond their borders – as New York is doing today. In this case, we need Federalism to protect states from a big bully in New York City.
  2. CRC

    CRC Survivor of Tidal Waves | RIP 7-24-2015 Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Little off topic here, sorry....but I just thought of this...

    Took a trip in the last 70's to Upstate NY...We were going canoeing and camping for 7 days, in the Finger Lakes...(It was a lot of work, but a TON of fun btw....)

    Detoured to Ilion, NY to see the Remington Factory..Now that was fun! ..The gun laws weren't as strict then as now.....but we had some fireworks and bottle rockets?? And my word! You would have thought we were "dealers" or something...! [LMAO]

    We got offered big money for those little fireworks....We didn't have M-80's or anything...just a few "ooooh ahhhh" ones and bottle rockets....It was pretty funny how excited people got..

    FYI...the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown is something to see if you ever get the chance...I was so impressed with the way they live there, I went back for 2 more days...I don't know if they still do this..but people lived there year round and lived the way the Settlers did when they first got there and worked the land....I got a lot of information back then, over 30 yrs ago.....It was a wonderful place and I'd go back in a heartbeat...just to observe and learn....
  3. Ommega

    Ommega Monkey+++

    What NYC is doing is unconstitutional as all hell. All the affected stores must indicate a class action law suit to recover their losses. (with punitive damages and interest.)

    On a side note about our troops....
    My wife and I have been sending candy and toys to our boys at war to be given to the Iraq kids. We got several overseas calls from one of the sergeants telling us that the kids have been telling them where the bad guys were hiding as well as where the IED were located!

    If you guys would pass the info on to other folks, maybe we can gain some ground with the next generation.
    Your Bud,
  4. ex3313

    ex3313 Monkey+++

    I was in the Finger Lakes region over the Labor Day weekend and went to a Bass Pro shop while browsing the gun counter I saw a 1911 from SIG I think and liked the grip when I nasked to see it the clerk told me she would have to hold it and I could only look at it as I am not a holder of a NY pistol permit what bull all of the firearms and even the airguns had trigger locks so it's not like anyone could actually shoot anything.
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