All it takes for evil to flourish is good men to stand by and do nothing In today’s world, communication is immediate, opinions are public, and facts are often in short supply. The story of the Ciener arrest has been making it's way around cyber world, even here on SM in the thread titled ""Ciener in the joint......" With the comments I have read, I am dismayed to find so many here in our little community, seem to be what we all disdain, sheeple. I approach the subject of Mr. Ciener's arrest from several different perspectives - that of a member of the firearms community, as a manufacturer, as someone who deals with customers demands on a daily basis, as a participant in many, many firearms forums, and not least in importance, as someone who believes that a reputation and a livelihood can be easily destroyed by the internet chatter of those who seem to suspend thoughtful deliberation in favor of community acceptance. Fact 1, business is exactly that, business and the object of the business is to make money. It is not a hobby. Enjoying what we do is a bonus, not a business plan. Fact 2. As a business owner, I have the right to accept or reject clients/customers for no reason other than I don't want them as clients/customers; I have a right to fire anyone as a client if they are more trouble then they are worth (think ROI); and I have the right not to take a loss because of a client's ineptitude. I spend an inordinate amount of time online trying to protect Sadlak Industries from uninformed and incorrect statements made on gun forums about our products. There is one particular old gun mechanic from Texas who does not like me, does not like Sadlak products, and uses every opportunity and forum available to spread his opinion. It doesn't matter if he is right or wrong, just that he can be public, he has an audience. From what I have read, Mr. Ciener may not fit the model as a jovial, anything to make the customer happy kind of businessman, but he provides a product and service that is both legal and desired, has the skill to do this very well, and none of his "demands" are unreasonable. Aside from my association with Sadlak Industries, businesses call me in to clean up their messes, I think of it as being the garbage collector and I charge accordingly. I have clients from whom I will not accept a business or personal check, only cash or certified funds. I do not accept credit cards. If these terms are not acceptable, go to someone else. No harm, no foul. I am good at what I do and command a fair rate for the services I perform. If the customer thinks it is an unreasonable rate, go to someone else. No harm, no foul. Don't expect me to forgive the bill if you don't like the dinner - If they don't like the answers I give them, hire someone else next time. No harm, no foul. Just last week I thought of pinning all my client names to a dartboard to see who would get the call that I was dropping them from my client list. Fair to the one the dart hit, probably not in their view but more than reasonable in my view. When the customer is more trouble then they are worth to the business, or my piece of mind, I am not legally bound to work for them. This is the very freedom we all purport to cherish but then reject in practice. Do any of these business practices warrant arrest? Of course not. Autocratic maybe but not illegal. What in my mind seems to be true is that Mr. Ciener is an asset to the firearms community, a quirky, autocratic businessman, and law enforcement and the ATF have been after him for years but unable substantiate their cases so now the claim is unethical business practices. One of my mother's favorite sayings seems apt "there's more than one way to skin a cat." In the end, I will say what I tell my grandchildren - you don't have to agree with me, you don't even have to like what I have to say but you do have a responsibility to make sure the opinion you are voicing is your own and not simply one that would be agreeable to your friends.