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"American police force" investigated

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Tango3, Oct 2, 2009.

  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    from infowars :

    (investigated by Montanna attorney general):

    The plans of American Police Force to boss the $27 million dollar detention center in Hardin Montana as well as expand their presence across the country while training foreign troops inside the U.S. could be mothballed after Montana’s Attorney General launched an investigation and demanded the organization turn over all its records.​
    Suspicions that the paramilitary unit, which attempted to pose as law enforcement in Hardin last week by placing decals on SUV’s that read “Hardin Police Department,” is a cut-out or a front group for a larger company, may be realized after AG Steve Bullock ordered Hardin city officials to turn over all their documents related to their dealings with APF by October 12.​
    “His office made a similar demand of American Police Force, including information that would back up (Michael) Hilton’s claims of multiple defense contracts with the U.S. government and other agencies,” reports the Associated Press.
    As we have highlighted, APF grandstands as a major player in the world of international private security, even claiming on its own website that it runs the U.S. Training Center, a Blackwater or “Xe” owned facility. This has led many to claim that the company is a shell or a front organization for something far more sinister, rumors that have only grown with APF’s blanket refusal to name its parent company.​
    The investigation was prompted by the revelation yesterday that APF founder “Captain” Michael Hilton is a career criminal and a convicted fraudster who has operated under no less than 17 different aliases. Hilton, a native of Montenegro, was sentenced to 6 years in jail in 1993 for “Such schemes you cannot believe,” according to Joseph Carella, an Ora

    -full article-:
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

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  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The longer they can keep these foreign private interests at bay, the better...but, as far as I see it -the contract is signed, sealed, and delivered. Unless the public is outraged and run these ba5tard5 out of town...?

    Folks, if this spreads, and as unemployment continues to climb (or the media hype claiming it is), then we can count on SERIOUS trouble. Remember, these private companies don't even answer to you, their offices are FAKE, logos of local law enforcement are FAKE, even their REASON for being there is FAKE. All they will do is count on YOU being STUPID and POOR and DEPENDENT upon them for "assistance".

    I am sorry, but "no comment" is NOT representative of good business.
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

  5. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

  6. Ivan

    Ivan Monkey++

    the police state has long been the tool of the capitalist oppressor. it is only natural that they would try to remove what control the people can exert by privatizing it out of the control of elected officials.
  7. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Sorry sell that crap elsewhere:
    Never heard of the "STASI"?[beat][beat](the state oppressor of the "Democratic peoples republic" of east Germany ??? ) OR THE KGB?. I'm told the people's republic of china are very human rights friendly too..did you forget dear leader Kim starving his populace in korea?????
  8. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    If you propose that communism or socialism to be superior, then I will save you time right now and remind you that absent a supremely advanced civilization with no freedoms or liberty -communism and socialism fail miserably. If I must exchange my liberty for social equality, I would rather be dead...and I believe that a large portion of America stands with me. As for the police state, it is not always the product of capitalist enterprise. Numerous nations have fallen under the heel of tyranny.

    True to an extent. With our particular situation, the corporation has become the tool by which privatization has grown extensively. By granting increasing rights to these corporations, rights typically reserved only for the individual citizen, our corrupt government has made a mockery of our liberty. The elected officials are either controlled pawns of the banking elite, or they are removed efficiently. There is no need to take control out of the hands of politicians when they already serve the master.
  9. Ivan

    Ivan Monkey++

    the answer to atrocities is firm foundation in democracy, not acceptance of an intolerable status quo.

    furthermore, it is not as though capitalism's hands are clean. in fact, if we were to do a direct tally of the crimes wrought but capitalist states and those committed by socialist states, i would bet dollars to donuts that socialism is still way ahead. doubtless you would argue that that is due only to the rather limited number of socialist states, but that chain of thought is a whole thread on its own, eh? [dunno]
  10. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    That's complete and utter crap. No American who values freedom and liberty will ever buy your propaganda. China is not exactly a veritable jungle of prosperity free from violence. And the goal of communism is socialism -so you can't claim that China is not a valid argument. You really need to reevaluate your history if you believe in the propaganda matrix of "evil capitalism" vs. socialism. You probably don't even know that communism was devised to infiltrate pre-existing governments and destroy from within. If you don't know who Moses Hess was, and whom he served...then don't bother to respond. ;) China is destroying itself from within because it has become inundated with both sides of the extremes; massively promoted capitalism and radical communist ideology. A contradiction cannot exist in reality, not in part or in whole. The extreme form of capitalism is destructive; but a minimalist government with a capitalist base is not extreme at all. The latter follows the function of the form itself; and to argue capitalism is a PLOY which attempts to skirt the real issue; socialism cannot attack the governmental institution itself because it has no merit. This is the number one weakness in the socialist propaganda philosophy.

    If you support socialism, then you reject liberty. I dare you to show me how you plan to justify and defend your work if you cannot freely live as a human being. I owe you nothing. And I expect nothing in return. [winkthumb]
  11. Ivan

    Ivan Monkey++

    i obviously disagree that socialism(and eventually communism) cannot work. for an example, lets look at the soviet union. they obviously weren't a bastion of freedom, but the people were sure a hell of a lot better off then they were under the tzar. or the Germans(and subsequently various others) under the Nazis. they certainly didn't have an acceptable level of personal freedom, but neither were they utterly devoid of it.

    In 17 years the reds took Russia from being a nation of peasant farmers smashed by civil war, to being an industrial power that could face down the might of Hitler's armies. and then after being wrecked again managed to be a going concern for the richest nation in the world withing a few years and remain such for decades. id definitely call that working, such as it is.

    now that capitalism has re established itself in the warsaw pact countries, quality of life and life expectancy have plummeted across the board and infant mortality has skyrocketed but i guess that just a coincidence, eh?
  12. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Oh, my friend. I want you to know that I respect you as much as I can (forum, you know), and I appreciate your sincerity and kind heart. That said, let us begin...

    Did you know that the Bolshevik Revolution was funded by the Lord Milner Round Table of international bankers>?? The Czar period was certainly no earmark to freedom, I will give you that...but communism was created to destroy existing governments to pave the way for socialist empires. Ruling Elite families have long craved total control, going back before the times of the Great Roman Empire.

    The Russian "power and might" is a misconception. Hitler was fighting a war on multiple fronts, and it was the Russian winter and the allied invasion which turned the tide of war, NOT the might of Russia. Horseback riders up against German Panzers? Are you serious, man?

    You are once again ignoring the basis of "Democracy" -it is MOB rule mentality; it is a form of communism in disguise. Once again you also ignore the governments involved; capitalism is the enemy because the propaganda of communist philosophy demands you to believe in a cause worth fighting for. By pinning one social class against another, the struggle for social equality overcomes common sense of logical objectivity. I agree that in a "perfect world", in a highly advanced society which has no true liberty -socialism may very well work.

    But this is now. And right now, somebody wants to control you.
  13. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    "you guys did it too" is a typical non answer of the leftists we see in the seats of
    government today. I have been enough of an a-hole this week to fill my quota; I will not go into another pointless argument, suffice it to say I was in on a a casein berlin where we (Airforce OSI) found one of our own strays a (tsgt) who had handed over all the intel he had access to from oneof our lp's on the line and finally gone overseeking asylum at checkpoint charley. nullifying all the intell collected by one of our lp's. When the wall came down he was spotted living in in the old east side of berlin. That sob is still in leavenworth. I personally have little tolerance for the demon seed of our "old" adversary and oppressor of more than half the world. being nurtured here(usa).[freedom]. "We" have no call to "debate" anything...[troll]
  14. Ivan

    Ivan Monkey++

    I'm an American who values freedom and liberty.

    it sure isn't. as i said, a firm foundation in democracy is what stops atrocity. the communist revolutionaries of the past were wrong to not more vigorously pursue it.

    *ahem* The goal of communists is socialism(except for a few who believe its an unnecessary step). Communism is the eventual goal of socialism.

    to an extent, yes. the immediate goal is to replace a state organized for the benefit of the capitalist class with one organized for the benefit of the working class. the long term goal being to eliminate class and the need for the state itself. i suppose it depends how broadly or narrowly you define "destroy".

    the government institution is simply an extension of the capitalist class's power. why attack the limbs when the root is within reach?

    on the contrary, socialism is all about liberty.

    damn straight.;)
  15. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    No Ivan. You once again missed my point. Communism was created, it was devised to destroy from within to pave the way for socialist control. http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_11.htm Read a little about how communism and banking have always been, and will always be linked and intertwined.

    The banking cartels are using you -your good will, your sound belief in that which is good and just to feed you a philosophy built on lies and deceit. Your enemy is not capitalism; your enemy is blind ignorance.
  16. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Brokor is is a tough well educated cookie...

    How can you claim to be a dyed in the wool communist and agree brokor, "owes you nothing?" Or is it a typical semantic twist: "he owes me nothing he owes the collective and the state for his very existence???" Peddle "crazy" elsewhere. I think there's another 50 or 60 "czar" openings up at 1600 pennsylvania ave.
  17. Ivan

    Ivan Monkey++

    because he really doesn't owe me anything. and I don't owe him anything. and we sure as hell don't owe the capitalists anything. pic related.

  18. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I'm not even going to comment. This thread was about the APF, with applicable videos linked on the previous page.

    Ivan, I know your focus quite well. Trust me, the "Capitalists" are not the root cause of your problems. If you do not know that the banking elite are behind this, then I wish you the best, but you will never have closure and never know peace until you recognize first that you have been deceived. Religions are much the same, they work from within, preying on your emotions and utilizing human compassion as a catalyst. Unless you have clear focus without bias or belief...unless you have real objective reasoning and logic to back your assertions, I will not argue any longer.


    Good night all. ;)
  19. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Listen I've been the guy on that machine ( under it with a wrench actually) and cussed my"bosses" too; but you know what?

    They had the drive to organize a company, go out on a limb and take the risks to get funding (loans); build a building, deal with the leeching government requirements. When I got fed up I left! hopefully to find my own entrprenuerial niche (AND THATJUST WON'T FIT ANYBODY'S CENTRALIZED PLAN!). when they get fed up they're stuck with their baby. they have earned that $75.00 for drive and initiative.

    I can't argue politics and history like my better educated mates , but I distinctly remember plenty of articles on food lines and shortages in state stores in the USSR. We will see it too if we get any more left.
  20. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    That cartoon tells the entire story. Anyone can be smoking the cigar. All they need is the idea and the nuts to take a chance rather than show up for work to collect a paycheck. This is pitting the "prolitariat" against the "Burgouise".

    I will add one thing. The Auto Union now owns about 1/2 of the worthless Chrysler Company they helped run into the ground. I can't wait to see how they vote to increase their salaries when there is falling demand for their product simply because they are "showing" up for work when a robot would be much cheaper!
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