An intelligent discussion on drones

Discussion in 'Technical' started by gunbunny, Dec 19, 2012.


  1. Airtime

    Airtime Monkey+++

    Yeah Linus created the first version and then lots of others joined in, grew it to something much greater than what he could do and then made it readily available to all. That was the point I clearly didn't convey very well. So, while the knowledge and experience to employ the gyros and accelerometers for a stability control system may be beyond the abilities of many hobbyists, that doesn't stop them, since those for whom it isn't beyond their abilities will collaborate, develop it and share it with the rest of the community of DIYers. There are multiple data points showing they have done exactly that for other aspects of DIY AROVs.

    That was all I was trying to say and the implication that significant technical challenges are not a show stopper for those lacking the skills and knowledge to surmount them solo. In other words, don't automatically dismiss the capability of those who may come snooping with a DIY drone.

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  2. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

     
  3. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

  4. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    FAA to create 6 drone test sites in US | Washington Guardian

    Major step toward opening American skies to unmanned aerial vehicles
    UPDATED 7:08 AM EST, February 15, 2013 | JOAN LOWY, Associated Press
    WASHINGTON (AP) — In a major step toward opening U.S. skies to thousands of unmanned drones, federal officials Thursday solicited proposals to create six drone test sites around the country.
    The Federal Aviation Administration also posted online a draft plan for protecting people's privacy from the eyes in the sky. The plan would require each test site to follow federal and state laws and make a privacy policy publicly available.
    Privacy advocates worry that a proliferation of drones will lead to a "surveillance society" in which the movements of Americans are routinely monitored, tracked, recorded and scrutinized by the authorities.
    The military has come to rely heavily on drones overseas. Now there is tremendous demand to use drones in the U.S. for all kinds of tasks that are too dirty, dull or dangerous for manned aircraft. Drones also are often cheaper than manned aircraft. The biggest market is expected to be state and local police departments.
    The FAA is required by a law enacted a year ago to develop sites where civilian and military drones can be tested in preparation for integration into U.S. airspace that's currently limited to manned aircraft.
    The law also requires that the FAA allow drones wide access to U.S. airspace by 2015, but the agency is behind schedule, and it's doubtful it will meet the deadline, the Transportation Department's inspector general said in a report last year.
    The test sites are planned to evaluate what requirements are needed to ensure the drones don't collide with planes or endanger people or property on the ground. Remotely controlled drones don't have a pilot who can see other aircraft the way an onboard plane or helicopter pilot can.
    There's also concern that links between drones and their on-the-ground operators can be broken or hacked, causing the operator to lose control of the drone. Military drones use encrypted GPS signals for navigation, which protects them from hacking, but the GPS signals used by civilian drones don't have that protection.
    "Our focus is on maintaining and improving the safety and efficiency of the world's largest aviation system," Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said in a statement. "This research will give us valuable information about how best to ensure the safe introduction of this advanced technology into our nation's skies."
    The test sites are also expected to boost the local economy of the communities where they are located. About two dozen government-industry partnerships have been formed over the past year to compete for the sites.
    "Today's announcement by the FAA is an important milestone on the path toward unlocking the potential of unmanned aircraft and creating thousands of American jobs," said Michael Toscano, president and CEO of the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International.
    "States across the country have been eager to receive this FAA designation because they recognize the incredible economic and job creation potential it would bring with it," he said in a statement.
    Industry experts predict the takeoff of a multibillion-dollar market for civilian drones as soon as the FAA completes regulations to make sure they don't pose a safety hazard to other aircraft. Potential civilian users are as varied as the drones themselves. Power companies want them to monitor transmission lines. Farmers want to fly them over fields to detect which crops need water. Ranchers want them to count cows. Film companies want to use drones to help make movies. Journalists are exploring drones' newsgathering potential.
    The FAA forecasts an estimated 10,000 civilian drones will be in use in the U.S. within five years.
    The Defense Department says the demand for drones and their expanding missions requires routine and unfettered access to domestic airspace, including around airports and cities, for military testing and training. Currently, the military tests drones in specially designated swaths of airspace in mostly remote parts of the country where they are likely to encounter relatively few other aircraft.
    The Customs and Border Patrol uses drones along the U.S.-Mexico border. And the FAA has granted several hundred permits to universities, police departments and other government agencies to use small, low-flying drones. For example, the sheriff's department in Montgomery County, Texas, has a 50-pound ShadowHawk helicopter drone intended to supplement its SWAT team.
    The sheriff's department hasn't armed its drone, although the ShadowHawk can be equipped with a 40 mm grenade launcher and a 12-guage shotgun. The prospect of armed drones patrolling U.S. skies has alarmed some lawmakers and their constituents. More than a dozen bills have been introduced in Congress and state legislatures to curb drone use and protect privacy.
    President Barack Obama was asked Thursday about concerns that the administrations believes it's legal to strike American citizens abroad with drones and whether that's allowed against citizens in the U.S. If not, how would he create a legal framework to help citizens know drone strikes can't be used against them?
    "There's never been a drone used on an American citizen on American soil," the president said, speaking during an online chat sponsored by Google in which he was promoting his policy initiatives.
    "We respect and have a whole bunch of safeguards in terms of how we conduct counterterrorism operations outside of the United States. The rules outside of the United States are going to be different than the rules inside the United States, in part because our capacity, for example, to capture terrorists in the United States are very different than in the foothills or mountains of Afghanistan or Pakistan.
    He said he would work with Congress to make sure the American public understands "what the constraints are, what the legal parameters are, and that's something that I take very seriously."
    Earlier this week, an FAA official told a meeting of potential test site bidders that aviation regulations prohibit dropping anything from aircraft, which could be interpreted to bar arming civilian drones, according to an industry official present at the meeting who requested anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly.
     
  5. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Just a NOTE, here: The FAA has Rules and Regulations, that PROHIBIT Dropping things from flying aircraft, and that includes UnManned Drones. They announced, just the other day, that these (FARs) are already in place and will be vigorously Enforced. No Armed Drones, are allowed in US Airspace, by ANYONE except the Federal Government. So it looks like we just have to worry about the FEDs, and not the local COP Shops.... Shooting at us.... ....
     
  6. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Would 2A allow us the equal, if we could afford it? This is getting ugly.
     
  7. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Sure, just do not call it a "Drone"... Call it a Model Remote Controlled Aircraft... Lots of those, flying around every weekend, in many parks, around the country.... and have been, for YEARS.... .....
     
  8. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

  9. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

  10. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    Bird hunters REJOICE!
     
  11. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Ah, yes!! Dot gov is going to subsidize shotgun practice for all. (Hide your gun until the drone passes you and the camera is aimed in a different direction to minimize facial recognition.)
     
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