an interesting hypothetical

Discussion in 'Survival Medicine' started by CATO, Jan 27, 2012.

  1. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

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  2. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Good post Guit...and it exposes a perennial problem with people who have no idea about how disease processes work and how antibiotics work. I would have expected the prescribing doctor to have explained to the mother AND the boy the importance of completing the whole course of antibiotics. The pharmacist who dispensed the antibiotic should also have explained the necessity of completing the whole course of antibiotics. The incident just illuminates the effects of ignorance and negligent parental care. This is precisely one of the reasons microbes are becoming antibiotic resistant.

    The implication for TEOTAWKI and PAW environments is that commercially produced antibiotics may not be reliably available, so infection control will become vital. Even minor cuts and scratches that would not merit a second thought will need to be religiously treated, disinfected and dressed immediately.
  3. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    I agree.

    One of my major concerns is trying to figure out which, and in what dose to try and prescribe fish antibiotics to one of my kids two years into TEOTWAWKI. I have a LOT of information on this, but still, even doctors sometimes prescribe the wrong meds or dosages with kids. I had this happen to my 1 year old last summer. Luckily, I didn't give her this Rx (from an ER doc) and was able to wait until I got her to her pediatrician.

    The other thing that worries me is setting a broken bone on a child. I've just gone through this and the thoughts of having to do this without anesthesia is frightening.

    Caring for kids......a constant weight on my mind.
  4. Cephus

    Cephus Monkey+++ Founding Member

    GFN -- Get yourself a nursing drug handbook for fast reference a Merck Manual to help ya decide what the problem may be .
    Also what the dose may be for said infection and type of antibiotic .
  5. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    I've worked in hospital infections before...and all that knowledge just doesn't help when dealing with your kids. The problem is, you really have to diagnose what the problem is before prescribing a specific antibiotic. Get it could do more damage.

    I'll check out a nursing handbook though. Here's the book I currently recommend: Antibiotics Simplified, Second Edition (9781449614591): Jason C. Gallagher, Conan MacDougall: Books

    I also have a pocket card plus a bunch of other books that are for the most part, over my head.
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  6. Cephus

    Cephus Monkey+++ Founding Member

    You're right Fish about the getting it right part .
    It takes many years of working in medical profession to mostly know what you are dealing with and even then without tests and blood work up it's just an educated guess !!
  7. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    I'm no sawbones....but the consequences of an unsatisfactorily set fracture, long term may be worse than the extreme pain felt short term in the doing of a proper bone setting.

    Surgeons deal with the pain that their surgery causes by assuming a clinical detachment when ministering to a patient. That kind of detachment becomes a little difficult when it comes to one's own child.

    Things that may help alleviate some of the pain may be local anaesthetics, and hypnosis.
  8. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Hell...if I could hypnotize them, I'd finally be getting some sleep. [bedtime]
  9. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Hypnosis may also help them to sleep restfully.

    The process is not all that difficult: hypnotic induction, autogenic suggestion, and return to normal consciousness from a hypnotic state, are relatively uncomplicated procedures that are learnable. Having said that, it is not something that I would necessarily recommend in lieu of conventional anaesthesia pain control methods if they are available.

    Psychologists who specialise in hypnosis as a theraputical procedure are chary of stage hypnotists using the procedure, but I suspect that is merely the jealous guarding of professional turf. Ethically, the procedure requires informed consent.

    Hypnosis may not be effective in all cases. Some people make more effective subjects than others. The procedure requires quite a bit of trust, and reactions to hypnosis can vary widely. Some subjects may become agitated if, when in an hypnotic state, subjects or issues of particular sensitivity buried in the subject's subconscious are exposed, in which case a hynotist needs to be prepared to bring the subject back to a fully conscious state quickly. Sometimes a subject, instead of entering a hypnotic state may merely fall into a deeply relaxing sleep state, which in itself is not harmful and the subject will often wake normally of their own accord.

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    I have used hypnosis successfully on one of my own children when he was but a child of about nine or ten. He was having a mild asthmatic attack and he wasn't responding to his puffer. I dealt with the anxiety distress component of his attack with some hypnotically induced autogenic suggestion, and it helped to relieve his distress symptoms.

    Hypnotic suggestion can have a darker side, if misused. I am aware of one instance, when a former work "colleague", was convicted and was given a prison term for sexual assault when using hypnosis as a means of rendering his victim vulnerable. (This happened quite some time after our ways parted. He was a mountebank when I knew him, so although the news of his conviction shocked me, it didn't altogether surprise me). Hypnosis requires a commitment to using the technique honestly and responsibly.

    Hypnosis with appropriate autogenic scripts may also be useful, complementary to conventional health interventions for helping persons recovering from injury and illness to recover more rapidly by mustering and focussing the body's own reources and capabilities for self healing. I suspect that it possibly works because it offers the patient some measure of self control over what is ailing them.
  10. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Did the infection from the ingrown hair turn into a staff infection?

    Whatever the infection, that is crazy to let it go that long.

    Here I thought the infection I let go too long was bad. It made my whole left leg hurt to the bone from the middle of thigh to my shin bone. Turned out to be a MERSA staff infection from an ingrown hair that I had popped and ended up being on Home Infusion IV antibiotics for 10 days from that. I'll never pop another zit ever again.
  11. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Most people are host to the Golden Staff bacterium, and it usually doesn't cause any harm....probably 99% of zits popped never get infected, and if they do, the body will usually fight off the infection successfully. Where Golden Staff does go rampant is when a person's immune system is severely compromised with some or other chronic illness or immune disorder: such as is often the case with people with terminal illnesses, AIDS. Rarely, a relatively healthy person may fall afoul of Golden Staff, and will usually have a hard time of it, and will sometimes lose that battle in worst case scenarios.
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